PSA: Not every game is winnable. Surrender is OK sometimes.

Roktan·May 20, 2017·5 votes·591 views

When no one on our team is fed, when everyone on the other team is, when they have 4 turrets to our none, and one person on our team is clearly int feeding, it's time to surrender.

Also please surrender when we have a player who is afk/dc, has one item bought and hasn't been playing since level 6.

If you don't surrender which makes me and others suffer under a miserable, unwinnable game,** I'm reporting every one of you for griefing if you make it known that you were the ones who didn't hit yes. ** That shit needs to be punished.

11 Comments

The ÖutcastMay 20, 20176 votes

the game isn't over until the nexus blows up

ŚtrongMentalMay 20, 20171 votes

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the game isn't over until the nexus blows up

Kudo's and Plushies for you :D accuracy off the charts

ŚtrongMentalMay 20, 20175 votes

er, what are you learning by surrendering? legitimately my only question... quitters never win, and you wont advance until you learn, play the game till the nexus is dead, regardless of the reasons others have

Brain Errör 404May 20, 20171 votes

Equally, you learn nothing by getting smashed an entire game either. If you WANT to learn, then you ff and go watch the vod to see what happened in such a short time frame for you to get smashed. I hate this BS "Quitters never win". Not throwing in the towel at the most important times will net you more loss than gains. Surrendering isn't the same thing as quitting. It's literally saving time to move onto another game. 20minutes of pure rolfstomping is more than enough time to learn stuff.

If it's normals, and you're learning, that's fine. If it's ranks, and the score is 20-4, all of you are 0/3, 0/4, 1/5 w/e, the game is done. You're not gonna learn anything you don't already know. All you'll see is the other team consistently pressuring their advantage, grouping and decimating you. All you're learning is that teams with better coordination tend to stomp more than anything else.

420 gramsMay 20, 20175 votes

Maybe some people want to play it out for fun and the slight chance the other team gets impatient and does something stupid

ModThe DjinnMay 20, 20174 votes

Not every game is winnable, no. But not surrendering is not griefing, unless they specifically say they're not surrendering TO grief you. There's no rule against wanting to keep trying in a losing game.

If they say they're doing it just to punish/troll you though? Report 'em, absolutely. That IS punishable.

RoktanMay 20, 20171 votes

It damn well should be, because as I said, you're forcing other people to keep playing in a game that has gotten out of hand and it's miserable for them. I only keep playing because I don't want to get punished for leaving, although I personally don't think you should in those circumstances.

And if not only the game is out of hand but part of the reason for that is you have an int feeder and you still say "We can win"? You're trolling at that point so I stand to reason that's greifing. I just had that happen two games ago.

You know what? Fuck it and fuck them. Next time that happens I'll just leave. Why should I be forced to keep playing a game that's making me feel like shit?

ModThe DjinnMay 20, 20171 votes

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It damn well should be, because as I said, you're forcing other people to keep playing in a game that has gotten out of hand and it's miserable for them. I only keep playing because I don't want to get punished for leaving, although I personally don't think you should in those circumstances.

By this logic a Surrender vote should pass with only a single vote. You may agree with that thinking, but it's a policy Riot has decided against. Entering a League game means agreeing to help your team win, until/unless the majority agrees to surrender the game. I get that it's sometimes frustrating, but if the other members legitimately want to keep playing and you don't have enough support to surrender the game through the voting system, then finish out the game you signed up for.

MUSHROOM MIDGETMay 20, 20171 votes

and whats the logic behind a 3-2 vote failing to pass?

ModThe DjinnMay 20, 20171 votes

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and whats the logic behind a 3-2 vote failing to pass?

That you'd have to ask Riot. I'd imagine "majority rules" and avoiding duo-queues (which are somewhat more common than 3-4 man queues) having the sole power to decide surrenders.

Not sure it's the best idea, but I don't have the information or discussion points they used when making that decision, so I can't say.

MUSHROOM MIDGETMay 20, 20171 votes

being held prisoner by my teammates for 10+ minutes in a long lost game is the most painful video game situation i have ever been in. the fact that you cant leave the game when you are having a bad time is the biggest creator of toxicity in LoL.

you are trapped. trapped in what has turned into a horrible game that lasts sometimes 40+ minutes against enemies who were better than you Before they were snowballed into unstoppable monsters. 40-7 and down to your nexus turrets with the enemies dancing and just farming kills without trying to end. and every surrender vote fails 3-2.

your teammate says 'nope i dont surrender' as if its brave and honorable to go down with the ship in a cartoon video game while wasting the rest of your team's time. the truly honorable thing would be to show respect to the enemy team who crushed you by surrendering and letting your team get on with their lives.