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I Feel Bad for Zed Mains

LifeCyclesTWA··3 votes·1,260 views

There are so many threads here in the forums that state, "OMG Zed OP! You can't counter Zed!! GAHH NERF NERF NERF"

All the Zed mains are scratching their heads and thinking, "Uhh, I can think of many ways to counter him. Why don't you try playing him and see for yourself what his weaknesses are, then exploit them?"

As a Mordekaiser main, there is a popular opinion that this champion is underpowered, which is far from the truth. People just don't take the time to learn/play him like I have and try to get Riot to change/rework a champion they don't have a single fucking clue about.

There are a few Mordekaiser players that play him EXCLUSIVELY and have made it to Diamond. Are you serious? He needs to be buffed? Imagine going into every single game and playing the same champion no matter what lane/role you are? And then imagine winning so damn consistently with that same champion, you made it to Diamond 1. It is very damn possible with Mordekaiser and has been done, how many other champions can say the same?

The playerbase of this game needs to stop pointing fingers at eachothers champions and fuck off, why do you think Riot is constantly fucking with your champions? "omg we can't play Morg mid anymore nooo" "omg they are buffing Olaf the wrong way noooo" "omg what are they doing to akali in pbe noooo" Hey, stop bitching about champions you don't main or have a fucking clue about and start promoting ways that Riot can improve YOUR mains.

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SEKAI5 votes

The idea of "If I am good with a champ this champ must be good or at least alright" is not really all that valid when you can simply pull out stats and look from a larger sample with a more objective point of view.

True balance is not just about numbers and all that, but it's not pure personal experience either.

Morde is underpowered in theory because absolutely nothing stands out on him and one of his only 2 redeeming values took a bat a few patches earlier while his already not so impressive early received a gut in the stomach.

Zed is maybe not OP as people so much to claim he as, but it's undeniable that he has a kit that frankly is extremely difficulty to truly balance and is maybe just a little bit too overloaded. The lack of counter itemisations doesn't help either.

LifeCyclesTWA1 votes

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The idea of "If I am good with a champ this champ must be good or at least alright" is not valid when you can simply pull out stats and look from a larger sample with a more objective point of view.

Indeed balance is not just about numbers and all that, but it's not full personal experience either.

Whether or not a champion is balanced should be determined by their play at the highest level of competition. In Mord's position, there are multiple players that have made it to Diamond playing him exclusively, which is a huge accomplishment.

Z Statistic2 votes

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The lack of counter itemisations doesn't help either.

wat

How is Zhonya's not a counter to him for mages? How is QSS->Mercurial not a counter to him for AD?

I'm not even sarcastic here. Zed's damage is all wrapped up in his ult. Get rid of his ult, and he's fucking useless. How are two items, which make his ult moot AND give relevant stats to the wearer, not counters?

AtheosisX1 votes

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wat

How is Zhonya's not a counter to him for mages? How is QSS->Mercurial not a counter to him for AD?

I'm not even sarcastic here. Zed's damage is all wrapped up in his ult. Get rid of his ult, and he's fucking useless. How are two items, which make his ult moot AND give relevant stats to the wearer, not counters?

Yeah that's a rather silly thing to say. The issue with those counters though is that the active on them is up much less often than Zed's ult.

SEKAI1 votes

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wat

How is Zhonya's not a counter to him for mages? How is QSS->Mercurial not a counter to him for AD?

I'm not even sarcastic here. Zed's damage is all wrapped up in his ult. Get rid of his ult, and he's fucking useless. How are two items, which make his ult moot AND give relevant stats to the wearer, not counters?

One is a cool item that unfortunately lacks an AP counterpart and the other is an overpowered late game item (but that's for another thread) which requires 3300 gold to get the active you need by lvl 6 against this guy.

Hence why I suggested the lack of counter itemisation, but hey what do I know?

DJ Di01 votes

His ult is up sooner than those items, you know. A good zed doesn't even need his ult to kill squishies later on, anyways.

Drunk Rummate4 votes

The 'counters' that people list for Zed all involve surviving, none of them actually describe how you beat him. Because you can't beat Zed unless you outplay him to an absurd degree. All you can do is survive him and hope that your team has enough pressure to deny his split push later in the game.

Examples:

Exhaust his ultimate - Okay, now I'm down a summoner spell, he took his shadow back, and he's going to ult me again in a minute while my cooldown is still up. Not to mention I'm sacrificing any kill pressure in lane because I can't take ignite, which is sad considering Zed's earliest levels (1-4) are really his only weak point in the game, and only if you're playing a champion that can safely harass him then.

Buy a QSS and cleanse the mark - Okay, so I just spent 1250 gold, delaying any powerspike so that I can cleanse 50% (or less) of his damage to me. That might save my life, but worst case scenario he still chunks me pretty hard and then safely takes his shadow back to wherever he came from.

Buy a Zhonya's hourglass and dodge his ultimate - Excellent idea. Too bad this item costs 3300 gold really. But worse than that, it has absolutely zero mana regen meaning you need to build at least a second dorans ring (3700 gold now) and you probably need to invest in a fair amount of mana potions unless your jungler is giving you blue buff on cooldown (undetermined cost). So by the time you've saved up your 3700+ gold for zhonyas and a second dorans ring, Zed's got brutalizer + bilge boots and he's already ulted 4+ times.

1000angrybees1 votes

Fucking thank you. Jesus, it's always "zhonya's/qss" and that somehow invalidates the argument that he's still problematic.

exhaust takes time, Zhonya's isnt an item you should be rushing first for a majority of champs (if you can even get it in time for 6), and QSS is probably the most helpful out of the 3, but still doesnt solve the problem.

YossarianSensei2 votes

He's not as useful as a standard hero, so if he's not killing you then you are beating him.

Godhri2 votes

You don't even need to outplay him to an absurd degree. You just need to out farm him by a little. If you manage that, he wont have the damage in lane to kill you given that you don't play stupidly. At the same time, you may even be able to kill him. He's an assassin. His job is to kill squishies. Given that most mid AP champs are squishies, it should come as to no surprise that his kit offers him an advantage over yours. So yea, you SHOULD be out playing him to some degree if you expect to be able to win the lane.

Nameless Voice3 votes

I don't have a problem with Zed being overpowered. I have a problem with his kit being extremely frustrating to play against and not giving his opponents suitable opportunities for counterplay. I have a problem with a Zed vs Anything matchup being far more dependant on the mechanical skill of the Zed player than on the skill of the other player.

Bad design is much worse than bad balance.

Leeroy Jenkenz2 votes

You can counter Zed with CC, superior vision, and positioning. I kind of laugh every time I see a Zed, but then again I'm a support main.

AtheosisX1 votes

So...is this thread about Zed or Mord?

LifeCyclesTWA1 votes

This thread is about my clear frustration about how I feel when the community talks about my main champion, and relates it to the outcry Zed fans are seeing everyday as well.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

My two mains I can counter Zed with. Chogath Diana

LifeCyclesTWA1 votes

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My two mains I can counter Zed with. Chogath Diana

Mordekaiser Zed who?

SnugglePuggle941 votes

I don't do Morde.

JusticePauldrons1 votes

Zed is ridiculous though. Literally all he has to do is ult, spam is combo and shadow away. Seeing as his ult makes him untargetable this is no problem.

Provengreil1 votes

my favorite counterpick to him is actually to get a support soraka. he ults, you drop silence, gg. A stuck zed is a dead zed, and when he goes to split, you ram a 5v4 down the enemy's throat. turrets? heal through em, one of their prime DPS is MIA. he's a good split push but he won't beat a whole team knocking on turrets.

PubgamerAU1 votes

He's not overpowered. He's just too strong. He isn't a release TF, or release Xin Zhao. Those were 100% overpowered. Zed is just currently a far far stronger pick than any other mid. Yes, there are items you can buy to lessen the effect of his ultimate(but not negating it entirely). He's probably the #1 pick for mid right now, even beating Leblanc. There's a reason both pros and the not so pros love him so much, and it's not because of his cool aesthetics.

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