Non meta shit won't get you banned as long as you communicate with your team

HateDaddy··21 votes·1,489 views

Last night I got auto-filled into ADC. For reference, ADC is my absolute worst role by far. I seldom play ranged champions so I'm god awful at kiting. I typically don't position well with ranged champions either so I often end up dying quickly or doing nothing. Long story short, I suck at ADC.

Everyone else had their preferred roles and nobody else could carry. I explained to everyone this was my worst role and it'd be an auto loss if I played it. Oddly enough, I got a lot of encouragement from everyone saying "just don't feed." So I decided i would play twitch since him and vayne are the only adcs I have any expierence playing in recent years. Then the enemy team picked fiora, talon and khan and I realized my inadequacy at the role would just leave me dead every fight because I have no idea how to play vs divers as an ADC. So I asked if it was okay if I played Jax bot. He's my most played champion over the last few years, I've had experience doing this before and quite frankly, I explained we had a much better chance of winning if I played something I was comfortable with than something I wasn't.

They were reluctant to say the least. But they agreed to it and I'm sure if we lost, they probably would've reported me. During lane phase, I had thresh vs Janna/ez and obviously we struggled since our only win condition vs this lane was to all-in and obviously ez/Janna are the antithesis of all-in. So we got poked down pretty hard but we never died and I stayed within 20 CS, which is hard to do as double melee vs double range. But everyone else did well, they ganked for us and i fucked shit up. And we won. Yeah, go ahead and dive the "ADC" - his name is Jax and he welcomes it. I W'd Kha'Zix so hard, I'm pretty sure he devolved into a roach.

Anyway, I'm not naive. I know I would've been reported if we lost. But the reality is, I truly think as long as you actually communicate with your team and tell them what's up, you'll be fine. The people I've seen who get banned for this don't communicate, they're often hostile and as a result, the way several reports. I can understand why you'd be jaded if you ma J off-meta shit in different roles but you have to take into account the feelings of others in a mode where everyone is trying to win and consider that people doing off meta shit is often a sign of trolling, not taking it seriously. You can bridge this gap and probably make the transition a lot smoother if you simply communicate. Don't be a dick. It sucks hur thems the breaks.

Tl;dr Jax bot is new meta, plat 2 is the pinnacle of skill and craft and don't be a dick: communicate with your team and often times in my experience over the years, you'll be fine.

26 Comments

Aptest11 votes

There is a darius bot OTP out there on the forums that wants to talk to you.

HateDaddy5 votes

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There is a darius bot OTP out there on the forums that wants to talk to you.

I'm not pretending it's all love and happiness, people will be dicks. However, priming them with the idea you care makes them more open minded. This is basic psychology my friend and trust me I know, I am a nasus main.

Troll for Trump1 votes

Who?

Ahristocats4 votes

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So I asked if it was okay if I played Jax bot.

so if they tell you no, you don't play it?

i'm not following that, sorry

HateDaddy2 votes

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so if they tell you no, you don't play it?

i'm not following that, sorry

I was gonna play it anyway. But because I conditioned them with the idea that "I cared about their feelings", I suspect this made them more open to it and as a result, more willing to work with me. In my experience over the years with this, taking this approach tends to make teammates more open to the play style. Clear now?

Ahristocats3 votes

Yeah it is, because if they say No i would also play it no matter what

HateDaddy2 votes

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Yeah it is, because if they say No i would also play it no matter what

In a nutshell, I wanted to just basically say make them feel good about it but don't really care what they think. That seemed a bit harsh for an OP lol.

It Hertz When IP2 votes

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During lane phase, I had thresh vs Janna/ez and obviously we struggled since our only win condition vs this lane was to all-in and obviously ez/Janna are the antithesis of all-in. So we got poked down pretty hard but we never died and I stayed within 20 CS, which is hard to do as double melee vs double range.

Thresh isn't melee.

HateDaddy7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darien Juranas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ik4Rz5on,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-04-03T18:47:51.403+0000)

Thresh isn't melee.

Vs Janna and Ezreal, he may as well be when he has a Jax as his carry

HateDaddy6 votes

{quoted}

We already know this.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EtXQhs5J-weore-updating-our-policy-so-unusual-play-styles-dont-get-14-day-bans

Yeah I am aware, just wanted to make a post that largely illustrates this point.

Kukan Seishin1 votes

Ihhhhhhhh

+1

Maximum Morde1 votes

Too long, but good stori

Big Lincoln1 votes

get em daddy

Alex h87211 votes

Last night, ranked solo-duo. Support is 3rd pick, hovers cho gath, I say "YESSSS CHO GATH" then switches to and picks rengar.

Says "trust me, heart of the cards"

Proceeds to go 2-12-3, enemy toplaner picked cho gath and despite losing lane to our darius gets fed off this rengars random solo over-extentions, we lost pretty hard, also rengar didn't build a single support item, rushed tiamat but then sold it to buy spirit visage.

-_- when people say bronze is a whole different game, they aren't lying.

I definitely felt better about the next game though, I picked cho gath mid into talon, and despite him winning lane I outscaled and was a monster in the teamfight phase b/c of my tankyness and CC (peeled a lot for our fed caitlyn!) and we won.

It does seem like I tend to get teammates like that rengar though whenever I pop above that 50% winrate, so thats a great time lol.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Cho'gath is a weak pick... outside silver with a decent laner (decent pick too).

Chønklord1 votes

Not using chat in game is fine, smart pings convey plenty of info to be a good sport in the game. And, in blind lobby make sure you use the social norms for finding a position.

I noticed that you are coming off a recent chat restriction, and that it started around Christmas and ended in January. I'm guessing you are concerned this will happen again, and wanting tools to keep playing the game. My personal favorite anti-tilt tool is /mute all. I know many Rioters that also mute all. It's a common way to focus on playing the game. I encourage the use of smart pings, and watching the mini map.

Also, not communicating in lobby is not going to get you banned. Be careful in blind mode to make sure you get a position that is open though the social norms of either calling your position, or taking an open position.

Riot SkiTeacher Riot Games

Thanks, see you on the Rift!

From a support ticket earlier in March when I asked if not using lobby chat is punishable. So..... Yea.

3TWarrior1 votes

I wouldn't recommend melee bottom, but if anyone does play it, use item 3302

suddenly, your support loves you for an additional gold income and you can sustain for days ^^

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

What's new ??? Before nunu BS, i was already playing Wukong supp when auto filled, lastly i played Talyah... they surely report me. But this isnt the same case the nunu... he wasn't banned in first place for nunu smite, all idiot on this board say again and again this. But he left his adc all the game, never supported his adc during the game.

I agree with u communication is great... But ill never ask permit for taking x pick. im not their boy.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

The uproar over the Nunu ban was over how Riot handled it. He supposedly went straight to a ban due to report density. Then Riot explained the ban by saying that his pick was frustrating for teammates.

In essence, their "official" statement became, "Off-meta picks are bannable if allies consider them frustrating." The community then translated "frustrating" to "unpopular." It is in no way what Riot meant, but that was the interpretation. "Foot in mouth" syndrome at it's finest.

Then you got all the sheeple involved and details started getting hazy. But that was the core complaint from the community.


The Nunu himself just got lucky. He got a slap on the wrist because someone basically F'ed up when reciting his Miranda Rights. (>_>)

I agree with u communication is great... But ill never ask permit for taking x pick. im not their boy.

The Soraka tops, Naut mids, Yorik supports, and Kennen ADCs will continue until moral improves. Or I get bored with it.

Which ever I feel like. XD

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

The Nunu himself just got lucky. He got a slap on the wrist because someone basically F'ed up when reciting his Miranda Rights. (>_>)

yeah... i was like Oo when they decided to not ban him.

The Soraka tops, Naut mids, Yorik supports, and Kennen ADCs will continue until moral improves. Or I get bored with it.

To be honest Naut isn't could be seen like a troll but... its playable and was a real thing a few times ago,Yorick has a slow and a "prison" and kennen adc... just ask to rekkles. The only pick who could make me tilt is Soraka top [zombie-brand-mindblown] Even when my mid instalocked Janna i was ok.... Any1 take what's he can play.

Which ever I feel like. XD

Anything, if u win [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

The only pick who could make me tilt is Soraka top

I get that a lot. She is great into snowball champs. Since she's designed to have almost no income and lag a few levels anyways, it's near impossible to put her catastrophically behind. And she can choose not to fight all lane phase, which screws over champs that require early kills. If the jungler decides to camp her, the gain is minimal in exchange for giving her bot and jungle free reign over the game.

Colton1471 votes

I go whatever champion I want with any role, as no one is in charge of me.

I'll go Ziggs top, Soraka mid/jungle, Illaoi mid, etc.

I, however, refuse to take mid (or top) laners support (Brand, Vel'Koz, Veigar, etc.), as people are ruining the Support role but doing this. They are not building support items - they are building damage (something that you should not do). If I do go a non-traditional Support (such as tank Tristana or Caitlyn), I still build Support items, as I am not a douchebag who builds damage as Support.

Mortekaiser1 votes

non meta shit won't get you banned even if you don't communicate a damn thing to your teammates.

its either that, or riot will have to ban everyone who does not speak the server's native language and/or enforce a strict meta.

Borbland1 votes

Yeah, I take Vel'koz botlane (as the carry role) even in ranked and generally I get a "wtf" but then I explain how it works for me and generally there is no problem with the team

Silver Singed1 votes

Now imagine you main Jax bot OTP and have a 60% win rate, and do communicate heavily each game about what you're doing and why.

40% of the games you play? you get reported.

This is what happened to the high diamond nunu support one trick.

Riot banned him because his report rate was off the charts. Not because he wasn't communicating. If you watch his vods from the time, he was explaining what he was doing and why every single game in champ select.

This is why they reversed their policy, unbanned his account before the two weeks were up, and sent out the thread about the change. They realized they were meta enforcing and decided to change course.

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