For the love of god remove Riven's stun and knockup

Trash MammaI·May 25, 2019·11 votes·2,063 views

She has a more consistent and reliable shield than supports Gains more from CDR than mages/assassins Has more steroids than hypercarries More CC than most tanks A freaking execute that's easier and up far more than most juggernauts

Why does she need so freaking much in her kit? You have nerfed SO many champs over the years for doing the exact same thing she does but worse than her.

There is currently no longer any bruiser in this game that can do as much as she can in the time that she can do it. It's even more infuriating knowing that some champs I use to 1 trick often got nerfed for doing the same "non-interactive" bullshit she does. Not even renekton, someone who is known for having a non-interactive kit in lane, can pull off his combo nearly as often as riven

14 Comments

NemeBroMay 25, 20197 votes

[{quoted}](name=Trash MammaI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=if6d9NcG,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-25T05:08:23.822+0000)

She has a more consistent and reliable shield than supports

That only shields, and she can only use it on herself. False equivalence.

Gains more from CDR than mages/assassins

CDR is not a mage/assassin stat. It is the most universal stat in the game. Every champion likes CDR except for Yasuo. It's better on Riven than most, but she's not the only champion who typically wants to cap it.

Has more steroids than hypercarries

She has two.

MasterYi : 3, until recently had 4. Vayne : At least 2, arguably 3 if Q counts. KogMaw : 3 Kayle : Like 5 considering all her passive does, holy shit. Tryndamere : 2 Kaisa : 2

More CC than most tanks

She has two, totaling up to about 1.5 seconds, if that.

Braum's passive alone stuns for longer than her stun and knockup. You're just being ridiculous here, and are upset that a Riven player much better than you beat you.

A freaking execute that's easier and up far more than most juggernauts

Executes are not a juggernaut ability lol wtf. Like four have them, and all but Urgot's are point and click, and all but Volibear's are REAL executes, where if you are below a certain level of health you're just going to die and no amount of armour will stop it. Riven's has a cap.

CasterGilgameshMay 25, 20191 votes

SMH this post was garbage but people will still upvote for riven hate

NoizyBoiiMay 25, 20196 votes

Oof someone just got stomped by a riven

Need Gold 4 TentMay 25, 20195 votes

NyEh HAh bUt hAcHiNcHin RiVeN is A hIgH sKiLL cAP cHAmpIoN. YoU... yOu nEeD t0 aNiMatIon CaNcEL wItH hER

GlaricionMay 25, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Need Gold 4 Tent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=if6d9NcG,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-25T05:36:40.025+0000)

NyEh HAh bUt hAcHiNcHin RiVeN is A hIgH sKiLL cAP cHAmpIoN. YoU... yOu nEeD t0 aNiMatIon CaNcEL wItH hER

What, these are the 'combos' I have heard so much about? This is LITERALLY what you do with every champion, but when it is with Riven it gets special terminology?

(flashback: Olaf(?) game, Q move AA E move AA animation cancelling combo <1.2s)

TormentulaMay 25, 20191 votes

With riven its a bit different.

There's a hidden mechanic in her E that allows her to cancel her next spell's animation

E - > wait at least 0.15 seconds - > R1/2 or W - > the next ability on cast will break out of the first ability's animation (think of it like 'QSSing' the animation). This allows her to essentially "doublecast" her abilities so she can stun and Q at the same time, or prep ult and move in at the same time.. or burst with R2 while moving.

This is why riven has a lot more animation cancelling, since most champs can animation cancel their auto but that E mask enables her even more combos, since you can press Q + R2 + Tiamet in the same frame thanks to it.

Visuals timestamped under doublecast: https://youtu.be/tIGCPybXWHQ?t=8

Tahminatrix May 25, 20194 votes

Don't forget the part where she is pretty consistently resistant to slows due to her q spam + e.

And how she deals damage over several hits in a short period of time due to her q + aa, making it easy to stack black cleaver and conq from 0 to full.

Trash MammaIMay 25, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=if6d9NcG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-25T05:35:38.183+0000)

Don't forget the part where she is pretty consistently resistant to slows due to her q spam + e.

And how she deals damage over several hits in a short period of time due to her q + aa, making it easy to stack black cleaver and conq from 0 to full.

All with a free sheen for a passive

General Esdeath May 25, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=Trash MammaI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=if6d9NcG,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-25T05:08:23.822+0000)

She has a more consistent and reliable shield than supports

Wut? The one with the big CDR and is just a shield? Janna shield gives AD, Lulu can give move speed, Morgana shield stops CC and blocks magic damage

Gains more from CDR than mages/assassins

You never played against a full CDR Lux

Has more steroids than hypercarries

Her ult gives AD. Vayne 's ult gives AD, move speed, stealth. Twitch gets range, attack damage, and AoE.

More CC than most tanks

Wow a whole 2! And the total CC time comes out to.....1.25 seconds! WOO! Leona Alistar Amumu Braum Maokai Rammus Sejuani ain't got shit on that!

A freaking execute that's easier and up far more than most juggernauts

Yeah it's so much easier to aim a skill shot than point and click with Garen

Why does she need so freaking much in her kit? You have nerfed SO many champs over the years for doing the exact same thing she does but worse than her.

Because she's meant to be a bruiser who engages a fight and doesn't die right away?

There is currently no longer any bruiser in this game that can do as much as she can in the time that she can do it. It's even more infuriating knowing that some champs I use to 1 trick often got nerfed for doing the same "non-interactive" bullshit she does. Not even renekton, someone who is known for having a non-interactive kit in lane, can pull off his combo nearly as often as riven

Renekton is literally the ultimate lane bully wym lol you're just salty because your 1 tricks aren't broken anymore. Jax has CC, mobility, defense, and high damage. You gonna cry about him next?

Waka FIockaMay 25, 20191 votes

{quoted}

Wut? The one with the big CDR and is just a shield? shield gives AD, can give move speed, shield stops CC and blocks magic damage

You never played against a full CDR

Her ult gives AD. 's ult gives AD, move speed, stealth. gets range, attack damage, and AoE.

Wow a whole 2! And the total CC time comes out to.....1.25 seconds! WOO! ain't got shit on that!

Yeah it's so much easier to aim a skill shot than point and click with

Because she's meant to be a bruiser who engages a fight and doesn't die right away?

Renekton is literally the ultimate lane bully wym lol you're just salty because your 1 tricks aren't broken anymore. has CC, mobility, defense, and high damage. You gonna cry about him next?

I don't know how you can break this all down across several champions as comparison and not see the problem with her. She is one champion. One. And she can do all of what the numerous champs you listed/compared can do equally, if not better, because she can SPAM THEM.

General Esdeath May 25, 20191 votes

{quoted}

I don't know how you can break this all down across several champions as comparison and not see the problem with her. She is one champion. One. And she can do all of what the numerous champs you listed/compared can do equally, if not better, because she can SPAM THEM.

Because I'm pointing out champs that do things better than her. Here, let's try another one.

Anivia is so broken.

Her Q has a huge aoe CC, just like a Leona ult. Imagine having Leona's ult on a Q what the fuck?

Her W makes terrain, there's no counterplay to it unless you burn flash or have some dash like Ahri Aatrox Ekko Fizz so to half the champion pool, it's a "no u" button.

Her E isn't a skill shot, so it can't miss. And it's stronger when it hits someone stunned by her Q or damaged by her R? Wow what a challenge! Hit someone who is crowd controlled! Good job Riot, that's totally a challenge and deserves a reward!

Her R costs so little and gives her an entire area of control. You can't avoid it unless you go all the way around. And if she W's you? Forget it, might as well just fucking die.

Oh you got close enough to kill her? jk her passive gives her a second life.

MannnyMay 25, 20191 votes

Gains more from CDR than mages/assassins

That's impossible. CDR is something the player gets through runes and items. She can't just get more CDR, she has to purchase it and apply runes that have it. I think what you're looking for is she abuses CDR better than most mages which is arguable itself.