bramble vest is amazing.. but thornmail isn't that great...

SwiftKitten88··4 votes·717 views

the amount of benefit you get from upgrading item 3076 into item 3075 is not very good

i think giving it like 350 hp might fix this

its not even 75% gold efficient without the passives

where as offensive items even with low stats and AMAZING passives like item 3026 has 83% gold efficiency and other item that are ENTIRELY used for this passive like item 3068 also have 80% efficiency

i feel a little more hp would make this item a tad bit more worth upgrading

or even better would be to give us different options... i mean adc's get them...item 3036 item 3033

why cant tank (or even ap for that matter) have two different options

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Hexs Fortune1 votes

Thorn mail used to have 100 armor and no health. They shifted the stats to 75 armor and 250 health. I feel people won't be happy until its another 400 health, 60 armor item.

Thornmail traditionally has always been about armor over health, not a balance between the two.

Resistances scale harder late game than health anyway, so by the time you finish thornmail you should want a bit more armor.

KataOnCrack2 votes

The dmg reflect is literal shit now.

vidghost1 votes

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Thorn mail used to have 100 armor and no health. They shifted the stats to 75 armor and 250 health. I feel people won't be happy until its another 400 health, 60 armor item.

Thornmail traditionally has always been about armor over health, not a balance between the two.

Resistances scale harder late game than health anyway, so by the time you finish thornmail you should want a bit more armor.

IT COSTS WAY MORE to buy now!.. your whole point is invade .. your paying more for that extra 250 health and cold steel effect BUT your losing so much more from the 90% loss of return damage.. Bramble vest is the only item worth buying.. thornmail itself is a trash upgrade for the gold it costs

Sanctimonious1 votes

Thorn was garbage, and now it's an Anti-Fighter item. It does not function against marksmen because the people who typically build this item are easily kiteable, and they typically have a crit steroid.

Start buying bramble vest against Attack speed / AD / [insert health regen mechanic here]. The magic damage / attack speed slow is meant to counter the attack speed these champions get, and the wounds counters the lifesteal.

Think about it like this. Tanks are like engage supports. They Engage -> CC -> Try to zone / peel in fights. They are countered bys sustain damage (Design that gets rid of counters is bad.) This item really helps them against bruisers and fighters that are ahead, and is an alternative for when they don't want to itemize against the ADC.

If you're interested, you don't buy Thorn against Marksmen is because you're losing the cold steel passive from randuins. It's inefficient to stack the passives, especially when you're an early / mid game class that makes things happen before people naturally scale. Though, when they do scale with their AD / AS / Crit stats, you have Randuins and you get your HP / Armor faster. (Randuins gives HP / Armor / Crit reduction and Attack Speed reduction in the same item! That's an INSANE early game stat stick that scales!)

Marksmen really need 3 items to be effective... Tanks are great from levels and 1-2 items. Personally, i think randuins is fine at its job.

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