So does the release of S.G. Fizz come with nerfs?

The Bearded Bard··1 votes·341 views

Similar to Zed, I'm looking for nerfs that target the frustration of playing against him.

If I were you, I'd target his E's cooldown at later levels and damage per level. As of now, it's the go-to max first ability, and aside from the increased mana cost, he isn't punished at all for it. Lowering the damage later on forces him to choose between the safety of maxing E and the damage of maxing W. Right now there is no choice because E's damage is high enough. As for the cooldown, 8 seconds sounds like a long time until you factor in zhonyas and cooldown reduction. At 45% that 8 seconds turns to 4.4 seconds, add zhonyas into the mix and you've got an extremely small window to kill Fizz.

Speaking of small windows, with that same 45% cdr his ult at level 3 is on a 38.5 second cooldown. Doesn't that seem a bit ridiculous for an aoe knock up with a 1:1 ap ratio and 20% damage amp for 6 seconds?

Cooldown isn't hard to get anymore, Fizz needs to be nerfed to compensate for the majority of his items being buffed. 10% from Zhonyas, 10% from Abyssal, 10% from lich bane, 10% from boots, and 5% from masteries. You've even got options to mix it up if you'd rather not get abyssal or boots, grab morellos or nashors.

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Caítlyn1 votes

Theyre going to make some money from him first. then expect nerfs about 2 patches from now.

Defended1 votes

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Theyre going to make some money from him first. then expect nerfs about 2 patches from now.

Can i have ur name

Quepha1 votes

Riot WANTS Fizz to max E. YOU want Fizz to max E. It's his least reliable source of damage, but it's also his burst, his escape, his defensive tool, and his waveclear. When he spends his E to do anything then he gets locked out of ALL those options until the ability comes off cooldown.

If Fizz was balanced around maxing his Q or his W, that means he has enough single target damage to not give a crap about clearing waves (aka, he has enough base damage to burst you down even without farm). It means he has enough burst on the targeted damage on his kit that he doesn't need to bother landing an E on you. It means that every time he goes in on you and deals the bulk of his damage he can then hop out to safety without having to wait.

That is a more frustrating champion with fewer weaknesses who is harder to deal with.

The Bearded Bard1 votes

Alright if that's the route everyone wants to go, then straight up take power away from his E and ult. Create windows of opportunity, because right now there are very little.

You have to understand the hidden power of Fizz E. It creates a situation where if the Fizz uses his E correctly, he wins every fight. It doesn't matter what you do, you're in a lose-lose situation. If you wait until he uses E to use your powerful abilities, he just won't use it and you'll die. If you use your abilities before he uses E, he'll use E and you'll die. Lose-lose. Add on to that the insanely low cooldown of 3.65 seconds (4.4 - the .75 second duration as the ability cooldown starts when you use it, not after the duration) and you have yourself a ridiculously overloaded ability on a kit that really doesn't need it.

I'm fine with the ult power-wise. What I'm not okay with is the 38.5 second cooldown.

Quepha1 votes

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Alright if that's the route everyone wants to go, then straight up take power away from his E and ult. Create windows of opportunity, because right now there are very little.

You have to understand the hidden power of Fizz E. It creates a situation where if the Fizz uses his E correctly, he wins every fight. It doesn't matter what you do, you're in a lose-lose situation. If you wait until he uses E to use your powerful abilities, he just won't use it and you'll die. If you use your abilities before he uses E, he'll use E and you'll die. Lose-lose. Add on to that the insanely low cooldown of 3.65 seconds (4.4 - the .75 second duration as the ability cooldown starts when you use it, not after the duration) and you have yourself a ridiculously overloaded ability on a kit that really doesn't need it.

I'm fine with the ult power-wise. What I'm not okay with is the 38.5 second cooldown.

That's not hidden power, everyone knows what Fizz's E does.

The Bearded Bard1 votes

Alright so what's your play in that situation? Let's say you're Orianna. Fizz is within range of your Q, all of your spells and his are up. What do you do?

Quepha1 votes

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Alright so what's your play in that situation? Let's say you're Orianna. Fizz is within range of your Q, all of your spells and his are up. What do you do?

Back off behind my tank because I'm a squishy and Fizz is my natural enemy.

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