Played new Shaco.

Saianna··22 votes·2,694 views

Felt bad. Really, really bad. P: didn't feel any difference between it triggering or just randomly slapping minions = meh Q: AP Shaco. Nerf. Unless you expect me to go to my own death. I think not. W: Surprisingly... kinda.. not bad? Somehow I felt like there's not as much dmg as it used to be. Not sure why. E: Meh as f*ck. My main tool. And it works like shit. R: hahahahaa. Meh as .. you know.

But hey, who cares? At least ADCs are happy with new toys. That's what's important for Riot, amIrite?


This whole assassin update is a bogus problem anyways. Why? Because in most cases ADCs didn't even bother buying even 1 defensive item to protect themselves from assassins. So this whole gutting update was uneccessary and stupid. So you guys have pulled the teeth of a predator instead telling ADCs to gear up properly. Priorites gone wrong as f*ck..


So thanks again. You have ruined yet another champion on my "I quite enjoy playing them" list. Amazing work guys. Keep it up. Now Tanks need some armor nerfs cause ADCs can't oneshot them yet, so chop chop, back to work.

31 Comments

Astôlfo9 votes

What's not to love about crappy players crying and getting champions gutted because they're too crappy to learn how to play against them instead?

Saianna10 votes

Tell that to Evelynn First champion that was forced to test the gutting machine just cause yelling on forum was cheaper than pink ward.

NavyDivea1 votes

As someone that enjoyed pre-rework Eve greatly I can't agree more. Then the rework gets gutted and shes left in limbo because they cant figure out how to balance an assassin that doesn't even have invis any more. To be honest give be the new Q (and the missile speed back) her old W (true invis) old E (a true ap nuke) and her old R ( current W with a heal on kill) I don't remember the passive.

it be lìke that1 votes

What's not to love about crappy players crying and getting champions gutted because they're too crappy to learn how to play against them instead?

would you say that they are "crappy" enough to have a 29% winrate in bronze iv though? That's the real question.

Astôlfo1 votes

They're crappy enough to cry about Shaco.

ff4sk4 votes

It does feel like that to be honest.

Assassins get nerf'd so they can't do their main purpose anymore which is assassinating a priority target mean while ADC can still mow through an entire team criting people for absurd amounts of damage while Riot does jack shit to tone them down.

Honestly soon I wouldn't be surprised if they gut the divers too in the upcoming update. Can't have other classes being able to kill the precious ADC players despite the existence of warding, flash, mobile adc, cc, armor, magic resist, heal spell, and a second player dedicated to keeping them alive.

Riot games ladies and gents, give them a round of applause.

Kingdom Corn4 votes

Assassins left you no time to react and this is why we at rito games (I wanna kms) have nerfed assassins. Ahri MonkeyKing Annie Twitch Anivia Gangplank Vi But these champions are totally fine! they can't one shot and they are useless! Wait what? They can 1 shot in less time than assassins now? Hold up MEDDLER YO WUKONG NEEDS A NERF OK? Back to the topic we will touch on some of these champs in the next diver update! Stay tuned!!!!!

angery pout2 votes

Anivia has been slated for changes for more than a month. She had a change to how her chill mechanic works and it was originally split into two different debuffs that affected the damage modifier of frostbite. It overall reduced her damage output and she had zero oneshot potential unless people were standing in her R or she landed both instances of her Q, even against targets that weren't building magic resist. Now she has another update on PBE that (again) reduces her damage.

Anivia was fine until Thunderlord's came out. And even now she's sitting at a very low playrate. Vi, Ahri, and Twitch also seem fine, but I don't play those champions enough to know.

Supreme Senpai693 votes

I still don't get why they buffed the ever living shit out of certain assassins, made being a support or ADC main feel that much worse with the 4 man bot pre 10 minutes being promoted even more, yet they nerfed the epitome of balanced assassin. Shaco was the one champion that didn't need an update, though maybe some small tweaks wouldn't be out of the question with the new items.

SlashStriker3 votes

Shaco's damage barely exists. I thought if i Q and hit minion from behind that has 30% hp i would kill it but it end up live with 5% hp

DemoGuide3 votes

Most frustrating changes to me are: E damage nerf. W stacking removed. That's just stupid. Can we at least cap stacking at 2 or 3 boxes on the same place? I don't remember time i bursted someone with just stack of boxes, but one just feels weak. Or, at least shorten the gap in which box can't be placed, because now it's total bullshit.

/nonmain

Saianna3 votes

Which E nerf?

Base damage? Ratios? or maybe no more bonus 20% from passive :D?

DemoGuide1 votes

Every one of them. But probably 20% amplification is the most frustrating. It allowed some counterplay for your opponent. I wouldn't really mind scaling nerfs, because on AP shaco it was pretty strong TBH.

Saianna1 votes

I wouldn't really mind scaling nerfs, because on AP shaco it was pretty strong TBH.

In lategame this was the only tool Shaco had..

His JitB are quite unreliable. Too squishy to do anything, while his clone dies in an insant, Quite good for avoiding large spells though :D

Done252 votes

I think new Shaco would be better if they gave him a +bonus damage on his Q instead of an AP ratio in addition to buffing his passive to a flat +XX% damage on basics attacks from behind. Set up those really juicy backstabs. Shaco positions to jump in and hit the squishy for 1k damage.

Something like: Backstab: Shaco hits for +50% damage when basic attacking from behind. 3-1.5 second CD Decive: Shaco vanishes in a puff of smoke. His next basic attack while invisible deals +10/20/30/40/50% damage. This bonus stacks additively with Backstab.

Saianna2 votes

At this point anything is better than new Shaco :/

lGIaurunGl2 votes

Shaco was OP as it was and he got the necessary nerf. Cheers m8

Comrade Napoleon2 votes

Tried him yesterday, not as bad as people are were calming to be honest. definitely not "Im Shaclone and im angry and i will uninstall and go play overwatch" bad for me, the new Shaco will need some time to get use to, thats all

Weathered1 votes

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zaire901 votes

i feel the same with the new kat i dont really like how she feels im gonna try to give her some more games but everyones response to me has been its because she takes skill now and i feel like most of them have never played her before

zaire901 votes

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i feel the same with the new kat i dont really like how she feels im gonna try to give her some more games but everyones response to me has been its because she takes skill now and i feel like most of them have never played her before cause when i asked others who played her and the previous kat they say the same thing as me too

A Doorknob1 votes

I'm not happy and I play adc. People are going to start playing Vayne again because apparently pink wards were massively toxic towards the game due to the overpowered stats and it required to be removed. Who the fuck wants Vaynes to return? I was perfectly happy not seeing her. Now this wonderful hyper carry spikes at lvl 6 instead of spiking based on items. Joy of the world...

Kingdom Corn1 votes

I have a Vayne I have a item 3147 ahh ggwp.

NazZomLord1 votes

Yeah, i have mained Shaco for quite some time, and the new one is...eh, it really feels off. However i have found a build that does seem to work decently. item 3146 item 3124 item 3031 item 3158 item 3147 item 1400 Also item 1402. Its far from perfect but it does seem to keep some of the large chunk single Auto sneak attack, and does decent in longer fights. i planned it so the gunblade and duskblade can make up a little of the lost burst. Give it some time, he willl either be changed and tweaked or we will have to adapt. And yes, i do mourn the old Shaco.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Rageblade on a non-on hit user? Rageblade on a melee?

NazZomLord1 votes

Uh yea, he can push with it, and can stick decently.

AirKingNeo1 votes

I played with new Fervor. It's terrible.

policebrutalityy1 votes

6-1 in flex mode with him top/jung ap ad. Diamond elo its not that bad

ChallengedSoraka1 votes

Link to another thread discussing the same issues for the game designers: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/UyPxlMYI-why-do-you-guys-troll-shaco

Saianna1 votes

Thanks, I agree with OP of that thread :)

MishaX1 votes

Sorry if it's not a good English but here are my personnal thoughts about How Shaco changes would have been 10 TIMES better (what i written in an other post):

"There was so many things to do with this Shaco Rework to put him at the same level than all the other assassin as new Rengar, new KahZix or new Talon... and a less risky pick:

Passiv:

10% - 30% damage from behind, same passiv than before (30% was before the 20% we have now), but it scale with levels. So it's a nerf in Early and a up in Late Game.

Q Spell:

Reduce the invisibility time at level 1 (but less than what they did) et up it at level 5. Early nerf / Late Game up. Give a reset to his Q, when we kill or assist, a total reset OR a CD reduction: ex: 12sec CD if kill/assist= -6sec on Q spell before the CDR application.

W: Make boxes invincible when we put them on the ground, before they go invisible. No need to up their HP and so on... only so the ennemi see the box but that a random AOE can't destroy it immediately or a single AA....

E:

Keep the same stats than before, but ADD +% missing HP. So Shaco is better in the Tanky Meta (meta that will stay tanky when we see the new Tank masteries, letality that is a nerf of armor penetration to make snowball less important) and eventually nerf slightly the damage at level 1 but keep the same amount than it was at level 5.

R:

Make the Clone less stupid, just as Tibber that becomes a monster when Annie dies. Instead of putin 3 boxes on the ground that a ridiculous and useless cause they have the same HP bar and can be OS.... when the Clone die he should make damage AND an AREA FEAR just as the boxes (W)."

Please don't forget that since Shaco was released in LoL, he only had NERFS again and again, the only up he ever had was gain more HP / level.... even the meta changes, jungle changes, items changes are nerfs in majority for him.

About that Assassin Update:

Akali feels really bad, how the hell can she put 2 AA to get her burst on a single target... except if the guy is AFK it's impossible, so she became useless.

Zed... well i guess he's kind of "ok" but changes were useless.

Ekko, Tank Ekko still op, AP Ekko ok, don't understand his changes at all.

LB, i think it's one of the worst... SUPER EASY to play vs her, if she touch you with a spell run back and gj wp & dodge her CC or she OS you.

Talon, i think his E is OP as fuck, especially cause of the 2sec CD... they nerfed Shaco Q range (cause it was more than a flash) and now they give Talon a sort of ininit flash when there are some walls...

KahZix, WTF, he was allready good before the update, now he became OP, ulti going on when he is in a bush, 1.5sec invisibility + move speed bonus out of a bush (REALLY??? he can go from a side bush to the middle of mid lane while invisible, even wards can't detect him while invisible...) He's really OP, but if he fails to attack an isolated target he's fucked.

Rengar, well he's good now, going for a one target OS to a multiple target OS, only thing is that it's hard to play him right now, much more than before and i think it's good like that. Before an ADC could litteraly not do a single thing before dying, now the support can take the Rengar Ult on him and they can counter him. (let's be honnest Rengar before rework was op vs squishies, now he's balanced)

Katarina, well need LOT MORE skill to played. Tried her and that gameplay feels AWESOME!!! Before she was braindead (jump in ult and gg wp or dead), now her gameplay is really interesting and she isn't useless or weak at all!

Shaco... weaker assassin of the game early. His mid and late were a bit buffed, but in comparaison to other assassin update he really need something more. Wrote what i had to said about my thoughts about how changes would have been done. But the new jungle is a MEGA nerf for him, not able to clean golem & wraiths (except if you like gangbang), not able to cheese anymore. New items aren't that good on him, letality and so on... they were designed for champs like KahZix & Talon more than for an assassin that relly heavily on AA.

Overall the assassin update is good, less braindead 0.5s OS, being able to outplay the assassins like LB or Rengar, don't understand the KahZix changes they are really overpowered (someone is playing KahZix for sure in dev team lol). Let's see what will change until the start of Season 7, but as my main is Shaco and he's the only char that still make me play this game... I really hope they'll make some changes for him, especially with the maths on his abilities.

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