https://youtu.be/mvUQ8LMVIQA?t=204
this is supposedly a "pillar" of your gameplay design.
and yet you completely disregard it.
OHH I see.. you have updated your pillars after u saw these champions weren't ok
or not... [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Ahristocats9 voteszoe is healthier than almost any burst mage i saw, totally better than the aids we had til right now 
how fun is it to play against 1000 ap veigar who has 1 sec cd on W and happens to have aoe 2.5 sec stun that stops dashes
kek
Penns4 votesbut veigar doesnt have mobility = healthy hehe
SwiftKitten886 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iQMGr7Ed,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-29T16:42:09.914+0000)
zoe is healthier than almost any burst mage i saw until now, totally better than the aids we had til right now
how fun it is to play against 1000 ap veigar that has 0 sec cd on W and happens to have aoe 2.5 sec stun that stops dashes
kek
???
hasn't been an issue since season 3...
was just people being stupid about her, yeah she was strong but she misses her E and shes dead..
.. don't let him free farm? i mean my god what is this? bronze V? the late game scaling champion i strong lategame.. what a freaking concept...
again also got her silence removed, and day more delayed burst than any ad assassin in the game.
on the other hand.. zoe... sits an entire screen away form you, form complete safety, and if you try to get close, u get a bubble to the face.
she literally has ZERO form of risk at all,
Ahristocats8 votes???
?
No they were not She is stupidly designed as hell, she prepares spheres and point and click you from 675 range
on top of that, her E is a giant rocket that is impossible to dodge unless you're san goku
lol trying to eloshame a diamond 1 player
he gains ap off dealing damage XD
and is still one of the most cancerous champion in the game
why do you think she's kept so weak since the disaster that was the rework why do you think she's being reworked again
on the other hand.. zoe... sits an entire screen away form you, form complete safety, and if you try to get close, u get a bubble to the face.
weird, that sounds like veigar trying to stun someone, but who also happens to have 0 counterplay if you got stunned while zoe's spells can be bodyblocked :thinking
she literally has ZERO form of risk at all,
ah makes sense, i forgot that in teamfight to deal damage to the frontline she has to use her passive and her W passive, both having 525 range forgot also that all her spells can be blocked by the frontline unlike any burst mage (hello veigar)
Applés5 votesHonestly though Syndra R doesn't even do THAT much damage. Preparing a sphere and pressing R won't do much damage. Unless you're having a sustained fight where she hits all her Q's and W's she shouldn't be much of a problem.
Also her Q-E combo is kind of delayed so you can just sidestep beforehand to dodge.
I don't know much about Kassadin or LB, but Veigar is really annoying I admit
Penns5 votesYeah it doesnt do that much damage, only over 800 base damage and 120 AP scaling with just 6 spheres :]
Applés1 votesBut late game none of that really matters because a lot of her ult damage is negated by items such as locket... etc. plus if someone builds one MR item a lot of her damage is cut. Her "instakill" is not even really an instakill lol
Penns2 voteswhy do you think she's kept so weak since the disaster that was the rework
Is she kept weak tho? I mean she kept getting nerfed but she is still strong lul
Kai Guy3 votesThis may seem counter intuitive but veigar is less related to game length and way more tied to the compositions of both teams. Veigar can be strong early game in a good lane match up. Most games he his stride 2 items and level 11 to become a real threat to squishy. You can't stop his passive getting farmed. Even if you can bully him he can still generate Stacks. If zoes 800 unit Q is a problem for you then why are you giving Veig's 950 unit Q a pass. Zoe can use R to get more range but it still requires 800 units from her location. Counter play is some one doing something right, Dodgeing a skillshot? That's a player doing the right thing. Not being able to CS with 1000ish units of a threat range? that's some one playing bad and its not counterplay.
Syndras E can knock back as well as stun, a wiffed E stun can still be a life saver. Besides the same logic of her missing E would apply to Zoe would it not?
Burst mages drop squishy champions with their ability's, good majority with a full rotation will erase a squishy, just how it goes. Zoe has plenty of counter play, and when folks bitch about her mobility I'm sitting here like... her W passive?
Build a comp that can Engage hard and pressure objectives and Zoe will struggle. Build a comp that's gonna be turtling all game and shes gonna love it.
AirKingNeo4 votesI dislike her sleep duration, cooldown reset (reduction if hit), and her R needs like 2-3 seconds added to the cooldown.
Her W needs changing, but isn't the most of my issues.
Salson5 votesOh hell no.
How can you forget the master of brainless burst 
For fucks sake, even Faker couldn't beat him.
I am Pacman4 votesMy favorite was 7.24b was supposed to be the bruiser/fighter toplane patch
"Today's big theme is toplane—particularly the fighters and items that call it home. "
They fucking give minor buffs to aatrox, kled and renekton
Nerf Jayce and teemo.
5 ad to tiamat.
Thx riot, GJ you solved top lane /s
Like wtf riot. How about you nerf the tanks and their items (just once please) maybe buff more of the bruiser/fighter roster.
I'm sick of this bullshit of broken promises. If you aren't going to bother actually trying to balance the lane then don't call it a toplane patch. Just say it's another balance patch.
ModWulf Helhammer2 votesIt wasn't supposed to be a real patch, which was why the changes were so small.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesMaybe they shouldnt have said they are going to revert all the changes if it turns out too strong and it is the patch that should put the game in a good state until january. Tell me how three minor buffs to champs and one tiamat buff fix the issue? As always it was just a sleep pill from riot. Just look at what they aim for in 8.1/8.2 Buffs to tryndamere and testing grasp changes/a new RESOLVE keystone to fix fighter?????? Ello? Anyone? What fighter wants 130 HP from resolve. Juggernauts will just become oppressive again if they go through with it while being completely useless against the poke toplaners. Plain obvious they don't give a shit about toplane or bruisers in general. Or simply have no idea what to do, i dunno what's worse.
ZT Xperimentor2 votesThey've changed over the years into this hypocritical bureaucratic dictatorship. No wonder the fun of the game has been eroding significantly more with each passing season.
Lakega2 votesRiot has never fully done anything they promised, or said they would.
Remember when they said they were going to re balance assassins, so they had more counter play and were a bigger risk/reward? The ONLY assassin that truly got this was the remade Evelynn. You still got Zed, Akali, and other assassins that can burst you down in .02 seconds before you even have time to press Flash, and usually they still get the kill.
Zed has the most abusively safe assassin kit ever. He can farm safely even if he gets behind and still stay ahead, and he has insane mobility/utility built into his kit with his shadow and ability to get around any gank and get himself out free of harm, while still bursting you down in .02 seconds.
They re-worked some assassins like Leblanc, rengar, etc., but still didn't put a whole ton of "counter play" into their kit. Then fucked up sorry released the new Evelynn and only did what they promised with her, but made it so ridiculous she's useless playing against any team higher than Bronze by giving her a 9 year "I'm coming so run under your turret or next to your tank so I can't do shit" skill that tells the opponent she's near them and targetting them well before she can actually do anything, and all her other skills rely on, and is the only assassin who isn't an inssue ever, because to actually "assassinate" even a squishy she has to either be overly fed, or have her ult, which is on an insanely high CD.
WHen the frack has Riot ever done anything they said to the full degree? Hell even half way to what they said? Remember last time Assassins/Bruisers were broken? They said they wouldn't allow power spikes to happen again... lawls... ADC's out of control, runes out of control. Good job Riot. Tanks have been over buffed, or over nerfed since season 3, and they still can't get their idiotic balance team to figure out why.
Yet other moba's like Hots, Strife, etc. seem to do very well balancing out all their plethora's of champions..
SwiftKitten881 votesRiot has never fully done anything they promised, or said they would.
Remember when they said they were going to re balance assassins, so they had more counter play and were a bigger risk/reward? The ONLY assassin that truly got this was the remade Evelynn. You still got Zed, Akali, and other assassins that can burst you down in .02 seconds before you even have time to press Flash, and usually they still get the kill.
Zed has the most abusively safe assassin kit ever. He can farm safely even if he gets behind and still stay ahead, and he has insane mobility/utility built into his kit with his shadow and ability to get around any gank and get himself out free of harm, while still bursting you down in .02 seconds.
They re-worked some assassins like Leblanc, rengar, etc., but still didn't put a whole ton of "counter play" into their kit. Then fucked up sorry released the new Evelynn and only did what they promised with her, but made it so ridiculous she's useless playing against any team higher than Bronze by giving her a 9 year "I'm coming so run under your turret or next to your tank so I can't do shit" skill that tells the opponent she's near them and targetting them well before she can actually do anything, and all her other skills rely on, and is the only assassin who isn't an inssue ever, because to actually "assassinate" even a squishy she has to either be overly fed, or have her ult, which is on an insanely high CD.
WHen the frack has Riot ever done anything they said to the full degree? Hell even half way to what they said? Remember last time Assassins/Bruisers were broken? They said they wouldn't allow power spikes to happen again... lawls... ADC's out of control, runes out of control. Good job Riot. Tanks have been over buffed, or over nerfed since season 3, and they still can't get their idiotic balance team to figure out why.
Yet other moba's like Hots, Strife, etc. seem to do very well balancing out all their plethora's of champions..
yeah i agree riot's balance team is easily their weakest part of the company.. the client team, the bug fix team, the lore team the web team... most other teams do great work...
it just the balance team.. cant seem to freaking get with the program, its the only way the think they can keep their jobs is to break something so they have something they can try to fix later down the line.
Meep Man1 votesZoe is "fair" though. All of her abilities can pretty easily be dodged.
SwiftKitten882 votesZoe is "fair" though. All of her abilities can pretty easily be dodged.
if u can see them coming sure except she is never on screen with you when the bubble hits
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesCare to give proof of those claims that they are against Riot's pillars?
Śhunpo1 votes"We will nerf runes first then champions this season." - Riot before the preseason update
Yet here we are now with NO planned nerfs to Electrocute, Aftershock, Arcane Comet, the Sorcery tree as a whole, Kleptomancy and Press the Attack. Good meme Riot, good meme.