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really??? nids problem was she was too TANKY?

SwiftKitten88··4 votes·717 views

i really dont understand what everyone issue is... other than nerfs and a buff vs jungle mobs nid has been the sames for 7 months.

if nidalee is an issue in the jungle, then address her in the jungle

aka by nerfing her traps vs jungle mobs NOT vs PLAYERS

nidalee NEVER build tanky... she NEVER is tanky. WHY on earth do u nerf her HP.

when nidalee jungle first game out i loved the changes to hunt to works vs monsters...

but if she is going to get nerf after nerf to her laning abilities just so she can be a halfway decent jungle.

then just remove the jungle proc on mosters and change her back so she cant jungle anymore.

becuase i really dont find any reason why he being able to jungle now justifies the complete GUT of her traps vs players and now nerfs to her hp and healing

i would rather you remove nidalee from the jungle and give her back her old spots.. you know: mid top and support. rather than having a halfways decent jungle and make it so she cant do anything else anymore.

you literally took a champ that could play 3 roles well. gave her a 4th role... and the decide to gut the other 3 roles to make the 4th role less strong.. i fail the see the reasoning behind that.

you want to know how mnay nid threads about how stong she was before the jungle buff? ill tell you once i find one. becuase i couldn't find any

and all of a sudden she becomes jungle nidalee and is a popular pick so you completely gut her WEAKEST most easily avoidable skill vs players , and now your doing this bullshit.

11 Comments

IcyPepper5 votes

Well, at least she's squishier, giving you a chance to blow her up before she blows you up.

It's not always the case, but Rito prefers giving a champion a weakness rather than removing their strength (though they will tone it down if need be). Look at Kassadin when they nerfed his very identity.

I think they're trying to approach this carefully. I know some people want Nid gutted, but after what happened to Veigar and Kassadin (I don't even play them!), I wouldn't wish that gutting on even Lee Sin or Sejuani!

Angelofchaos16x1 votes

Just for you to know , this is a big nerf to jungle Nid. You cannot jungle in the current meta, if you have a bad sustain. Since as you just said, she does not build tank, she will get to low health a lot faster in the jungle, early on especially, meaning more base calls, slower clear time and more money on potions in the place of damage. I sorry if they didn't gut her, if that is what you wanted, but any jungler knows that removing health from a jungler in the current meta, is not good for business.

SwiftKitten884 votes

my entire point is all these changes are to address her IN THE JUNGLE and are complately disregarding she (before the nerfs) had THREE other viable lanes. support nid was removed by the traps nerf as all thier support has to do is tep on the traps and take absolutely zero damage and it removes all vision and procs, the heal nerfs top and mid lane and the HP hurts everything.

why? So she is weaker in the jungle? SCREW THE JUNGLE!!! it is NOT WORTH gutting nidalee in her other THREE roles JUST to make it so she can jungle.

My god take her out of the jungle of everyone is bitching about her there. and lets her at least keep her 3 viable roles. instead of gutting her so much that she ends up with zero

Abyssphere3 votes

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my entire point is all these changes are to address her IN THE JUNGLE and are complately disregarding she (before the nerfs) had THREE other viable lanes. support nid was removed by the traps nerf as all thier support has to do is tep on the traps and take absolutely zero damage and it removes all vision and procs, the heal nerfs top and mid lane and the HP hurts everything.

why? So she is weaker in the jungle? SCREW THE JUNGLE!!! it is NOT WORTH gutting nidalee in her other THREE roles JUST to make it so she can jungle.

My god take her out of the jungle of everyone is bitching about her there. and lets her at least keep her 3 viable roles. instead of gutting her so much that she ends up with zero

Honestly, he has a point. Nidalee was completely ignorable before the jungle changes and now as a result, she's been nerfed in every other lane. It's not right.

CinderDragon771 votes

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my entire point is all these changes are to address her IN THE JUNGLE and are complately disregarding she (before the nerfs) had THREE other viable lanes. support nid was removed by the traps nerf as all thier support has to do is tep on the traps and take absolutely zero damage and it removes all vision and procs, the heal nerfs top and mid lane and the HP hurts everything.

why? So she is weaker in the jungle? SCREW THE JUNGLE!!! it is NOT WORTH gutting nidalee in her other THREE roles JUST to make it so she can jungle.

My god take her out of the jungle of everyone is bitching about her there. and lets her at least keep her 3 viable roles. instead of gutting her so much that she ends up with zero

This is exactly how I feel, remove the hunting monsters thing and they would not have to gut the lanes that I actually took her into, nobody really wanted her as a jungler in the first place and now it's getting her nerfed to hell and back and it's really disappointing. I've been playing Nidalee mid since my pre-30 days in season 3, not claiming to be a great player but my favorite champion just keeps getting nerfed and nerfed for some role nobody wanted her to do in the first place, her laning is balanced around the fact her last-hitting is horrid and the only way for her to not get pushed under tower is going melee and jumping into the enemy minion wave to waveclear meanwhile zed gets an AS lovetap and lb gets a small ratio reduction on her ult.

youngjake931 votes

It is better to emphasize weaknesses and strengths to make champions more unique than to just nerf the best thing about a champion so that there is no difference between them. Her trap was not gutted vs players... it still does good damage to players because of the new really high base damage, but much lower to monsters(no % dmg) now which made her clears too fast. Also, a lot of players build Nidalee tanky if they snowball enough to afford it so that they can push their advantage and 1v2 without dying. Rod of Ages, Spirit Visage and Frozen Heart being strong options.

Lowering her free health stats and her spammable sustain from E gives her real weaknesses without ruining her playability/uniqueness. You honestly should be able to kill an assassin with a bruiser, but Nidalee could be an assassin and bruiser at the same time. When are people going to just trust Riot for once?

SwiftKitten883 votes

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It is better to emphasize weaknesses and strengths to make champions more unique than to just nerf the best thing about a champion so that there is no difference between them. Her trap was not gutted vs players... it still does good damage to players because of the new really high base damage, but much lower to monsters(no % dmg) now which made her clears too fast. Also, a lot of players build Nidalee tanky if they snowball enough to afford it so that they can push their advantage and 1v2 without dying. Rod of Ages, Spirit Visage and Frozen Heart being strong options.

Lowering her free health stats and her spammable sustain from E gives her real weaknesses without ruining her playability/uniqueness. You honestly should be able to kill an assassin with a bruiser, but Nidalee could be an assassin and bruiser at the same time. When are people going to just trust Riot for once?

excuse me? is this a joke? nidalee will ALWAYS lose to almost ANY bruiser in the game. she always has. her traps damage is weaker than the weakest auto attack (they do 40 at level one with a .2 ratio )in the game and they have to be stupid enough to step on it. dealing a max of 360 damage at lvl 18 with EIGHT HUNDRED ABIILTY POWER. you could probably walk over traps non stop for about 8 min straight before you would die from it you wold need to walk on THIRTEEN traps at lvl 1 to die from the damage alone. assuing your on a low hp adc proablly more excluding the base healing rgen. by level 10 it would take about THRITY traps to kill someone.

she already has HUGE weaknesses... much more than most other champs. ALL her damage comes from landing a skillshot if she dones't land that skillshot she CAN'T trade. it is THE hardest skillshot to hit IN THE GAME.

the % damage was ALREADY capped at 150 damage vs monsters, all they had to do was lower it to 50 and it would have accomplished the same thing without gutting her traps vs players. some don't give me that BS about the % needing to be removed.

youngjake931 votes

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excuse me? is this a joke? nidalee will ALWAYS lose to almost ANY bruiser in the game. she always has. her traps damage is weaker than the weakest auto attack (they do 40 at level one with a .2 ratio )in the game and they have to be stupid enough to step on it. dealing a max of 360 damage at lvl 18 with EIGHT HUNDRED ABIILTY POWER. you could probably walk over traps non stop for about 8 min straight before you would die from it you wold need to walk on THIRTEEN traps at lvl 1 to die from the damage alone. assuing your on a low hp adc proablly more excluding the base healing rgen. by level 10 it would take about THRITY traps to kill someone.

she already has HUGE weaknesses... much more than most other champs. ALL her damage comes from landing a skillshot if she dones't land that skillshot she CAN'T trade. it is THE hardest skillshot to hit IN THE GAME.

the % damage was ALREADY capped at 150 damage vs monsters, all they had to do was lower it to 50 and it would have accomplished the same thing without gutting her traps vs players. some don't give me that BS about the % needing to be removed.

Lol her spears are really easy to land.. Try landing Ziggs bouncing bomb reliably

kcStranger1 votes

I agree with you. There's a lot of hate for Nidalee for some reason (hence the downvotes; sorry dude same thing happened to my post where I questioned whether the PBE nerfs were too much), but the nerf amounts to 300 health at max rank and seems overdone.

The thing that makes Nidalee feel oppressive, I think, is how much damage you take from maximum-distance spears. She's not actually too far from balanced by the numbers (52% in diamond, less at lower ranks probably because of the people playing her just because she's perceived to be OP). At most only a tiny nerf is needed, maybe something like raising the spear cooldown to 8 s (from 6 s) so she can't spam them quite so much.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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I agree with you. There's a lot of hate for Nidalee for some reason (hence the downvotes; sorry dude same thing happened to my post where I questioned whether the PBE nerfs were too much), but the nerf amounts to 300 health at max rank and seems overdone.

The thing that makes Nidalee feel oppressive, I think, is how much damage you take from maximum-distance spears. She's not actually too far from balanced by the numbers (52% in diamond, less at lower ranks probably because of the people playing her just because she's perceived to be OP). At most only a tiny nerf is needed, maybe something like raising the spear cooldown to 8 s (from 6 s) so she can't spam them quite so much.

and i would be fine with that.. why? becuase nidalee NEVER throws spear on cooldown becuase thier a SKILLSHOT that nid has to have a clear line of sight to land. so that nerf wouldn't really ever even have an effect. the fact people say she can "spam spears" is ludicrous... yeash she can throw them on a short cooldown.. but unless your your ALWAYS standing out in the open your not going to get hit by one. the cooldown is spear is regulated by hard how they are to hit... not by thier actual cooldown. if you threw them every 6 seconds you woudn't be hitting anyone but an afk player.

the reason why the cooldown is low is BECAUSE thier so hard to hit. and becuase your GOING to miss most of them and also because its nidalee's ONLY damaging skill in human form and one which ALL her cougar from skills are reliant on

Ada Wong1 votes

The problem is players always complaining about junglers, look at champions like Shyvana, Volibear who can jungle too effectively compared to other non meta champions listed as jungle nerf them.

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