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Allow Renekton to be able to Jungle by removing all of the "vs monsters" restrictions on Fury Gains

Kingsgrave··63 votes·2,267 views

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This would also allow him to heal for the Vs Champion amount against Monsters which would give him 45 at Raptors at Rank 1 of the ability not counting any Bonus AD, which is just 5 under the cap. With Bonus AD he only gains 5 more and the Raptors will still probably destroy him

Nasus can viably jungle why can't Renekton?

Jarvan can top rather well and he is a prominent jungler and always has been. Why can't Renekton?

What possible balance issues could come from Renekton being able to Jungle? I can't really think of any. Hell, even Aatrox is allowed to Jungle and to Top equally viably yet Renekton isn't.

**Q on live: **Renekton deals physical damage to all enemies within range, gaining 2.5 Fury for each target non-champion hit and 10 Fury for each target champion hit.

**Q on here: **Renekton deals physical damage to all enemies within range, gaining **2.5 Fury for each target minion hit and 10 Fury for each target champion or monster hit. **

W would also give the 10 bonus Fury for hitting a Monster just like it does with Champions

E2 (Dice) would give him 10 Fury per Monster hit just like it does with Champions.

This would allow him to Jungle effectively without completely pushing him over the top. He would have another role he could pick besides always being locked into one role/lane. Remember, his Fury still decays by 4 per second after 12 seconds of being out of combat.

38 Comments

Duke Anax27 votes

I don't see an issue there. He could do a nice gank, but he has nothing problematic.

Riot always goes on about diversity and not enforcing meta, but then they go we don't want this champ to jungle so they do less damage to monsters. Or we don't want this champ in a solo, lane so they do less damage to minions.

Knight SoIaire 2 votes

the thing is that multi lane/ multi role chanpions are impossible to ballance for them

still that does not mean that toplane lissandra will get pushed back to mid, or suport morganaack to mid, or midlane lulu to support, or kayle will be pushed out of all the 5 lanes she can effectively man up

Kingsgrave7 votes

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the thing is that multi lane/ multi role chanpions are impossible to ballance for them

still that does not mean that toplane lissandra will get pushed back to mid, or suport morganaack to mid, or midlane lulu to support, or kayle will be pushed out of all the 5 lanes she can effectively man up

Riot has never had problems with balancing champions for multiple lanes or roles, its just that certain characters become too broken for reasons that shouldn't have happened in the first place sometimes like AP Trynd and Top Lulu.

Renekton going into the Jungle will not be hard to balance since you would balance him the exact same way you balance Top Renekton.

Knight SoIaire 4 votes

Riot has never had problems with balancing champions for multiple lanes or roles,

nerf support morgana= removing her from midlane nerf toplane lulu=wrecking her as a support too

those are problems, big problems

multi lane champions are usualy doing 2 diferent things depending on ole they are played in, if you nerf one the other gets hurt too

Kingsgrave4 votes

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nerf support morgana= removing her from midlane nerf toplane lulu=wrecking her as a support too

those are problems, big problems

multi lane champions are usualy doing 2 diferent things depending on ole they are played in, if you nerf one the other gets hurt too

Fighters never have that problem tho

They literally always do the same thing in every lane

They buffed AP ratios of Annie when they nerfed her base damages, and she is still a good Mid and Support

Lulu was toxic and cancer even if she was never a support, so she needed a nerf

Morgana is honestly still a good mid laner its just her support is better. Kinda like Vi with top. Can go there, usually doesnt.

Knight SoIaire 4 votes

Morgana is honestly still a good mid laner its just her support is better. Kinda like Vi with top. Can go there, usually doesnt.

darius is a good jungler besides the fact that he sucks at jungling

Kingsgrave4 votes

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darius is a good jungler besides the fact that he sucks at jungling

He clears well but suffers in the ganking department. Doesn't mean he can't go there and do well.

Morgana can support and mid rather well.

Renekton literally cannot jungle. Allowing him the ability to do so doesn't break him or hinder his top lane.

ArkenStorm1 votes

full ad darius jungle. warrior enchantment with stalkers, trinity, hydra, bloodthirster, IE, boots of swiftness w/furor, bam you can catch them easy and your ult will do 1000 true damage no stacks.

PrinceOfStorms1 votes

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nerf support morgana= removing her from midlane nerf toplane lulu=wrecking her as a support too

those are problems, big problems

multi lane champions are usualy doing 2 diferent things depending on ole they are played in, if you nerf one the other gets hurt too

For example, nerf Jungle Nidalee and you hurt top/mid Nidalee, which is fine.

Champion Skin1 votes

Well I don't believe jungle Renekton will be a problem.. why? Well because Renekton is a lane bully which relies on starving his lane opponent while snowballing into a really good mid game and then hopefully finish up the game before your lane opponent starts catching up and all that

However jungle renekton won't really have anyone to deny as he can on top lane so he won't get to use his bully potential as much as he does in lane

youngjake931 votes

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Well I don't believe jungle Renekton will be a problem.. why? Well because Renekton is a lane bully which relies on starving his lane opponent while snowballing into a really good mid game and then hopefully finish up the game before your lane opponent starts catching up and all that

However jungle renekton won't really have anyone to deny as he can on top lane so he won't get to use his bully potential as much as he does in lane

Renekton's strongest attribute is actually his early-mid game skirmishing(2v2 or 3v3) imo after the buffs to his Q healing and fury generation vs champs. He's probably one of the best champions at turning a lvl 6 gank into a 1v2 double kill(not as good as Heimer obviously).

Champion Skin1 votes

Well yeah... diving onto heimer and trying to kill him without dying or taking a ton of damage to the face is easier said then done...

But the thing is that pretty much everyone run when the jungler comes... so it isn't that likely you will actually end up in any skirmishes other then just straight up ganks where you outnumber the enemies and crush them with the element of surprise...

Though I guess there is counter ganks if you are able to figure out where the enemy jungler will be ganking

youngjake931 votes

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Well yeah... diving onto heimer and trying to kill him without dying or taking a ton of damage to the face is easier said then done...

But the thing is that pretty much everyone run when the jungler comes... so it isn't that likely you will actually end up in any skirmishes other then just straight up ganks where you outnumber the enemies and crush them with the element of surprise...

Though I guess there is counter ganks if you are able to figure out where the enemy jungler will be ganking

Lol a lot of times if I see the jungler coming through my ward, I will dash onto him and do my combo to make him run from me.

Champion Skin1 votes

One rule people should learn ~~Don't chase singed ~~ Don't gank a level 6 Renekton... unless you are a really strong or the laner is rather strong as well... even then it is a bit sketchy... aren't there better targets to gank?

I have seen too many renekton double kills when... he was "ganked"

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

im just saying that in the flow of new patches and changes, either top renekton or jungle renekton will blow up one of those positions

then nerfing him might result in killing him on one of them

Champion Skin1 votes

Well obviously top renekton won't be effected much by making him better against monsters... as there aren't many monsters in lane...

And if jungle renekton becomes to good then that can either be removed again... or his abilities can have their damage reduced against monsters (like Hecarim Q)

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

And if jungle renekton becomes to good then that can either be removed again... or his abilities can have their damage reduced against monsters (like Hecarim Q)

that usualy bounces from useless to op

he can be a jungler, im just not sure if this will cause problems in the future

BluePolarizer10 votes

It would threaten Lee Sin's dominance and make ppl think in champ select.

You can't do either of those, otherwise LC$ big plays are threatened.

Kingsgrave1 votes

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It would threaten Lee Sin's dominance and make ppl think in champ select.

You can't do either of those, otherwise LC$ big plays are threatened.

I don't see how Renekton being in the jungle would threaten Lee Sin at all. There would be another viable pick in the Jungle that can actually duel Lee Sin, maybe thats what your joke is referring to?

junglerboy162 votes

Well, according to the resident circle jerking of the NA boards, only Lee sin is able to duel another champion in the jungle. It isn't really true (J4, Vi, Rek'sai, and many other junglers own his butt in the jungle at the moment), but the community can't seem to differentiate between a champ being broken (like Lee or Teemo) and OP (like J4).

ArkenStorm2 votes

teemo. lel

junglerboy161 votes

Teemo is broken and toxic to play against, not OP. Did you even read what I said? Broken means they are anti-fun and make the game bad for other players. OP means they are too strong. Lee and Teemo are both anti-fun, but neither is strong.

ArkenStorm1 votes

Did you even read what I said? I never said anything about him being OP or broken or anything. I'm just laughing that you mentioned teemo, because I hat eteemo as much as everyone else. broken doesn't mean anti-fun. anti-fun is anti-fun. broken is used when a) to refer to too strong(being used synonymously with OP) or b) to refer to a mechanic that is just plain stupid(like yasuos wind wall protecting an entire lane from projectiles for 3 seconds) But now that you bring it up, I don't think teemo is terribly broken. I think his e being a passive is dumb, I think it should be an ability with a cooldown. but thats just annoyance. I don't think he's broken, but he is horribly toxic(punpunpun) and annoying. I also disagree with your saying that lee isn't strong. but I ALSO think that's just a matter of opinion, who is playing him, and if he's fed or not.

aaronconlin5 votes

I'm all for champions being able to fill more than one role. +1 for you

Arveanor2 votes

The motherfucking counterganks, though. Dear rito have mercy on our souls. (note: this is not meant to disagree with OP, in case that's unclear)

Renaille1 votes

Renekton is a bad jungler for other reasons, like fairly poor ganks.

Kingsgrave1 votes

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Renekton is a bad jungler for other reasons, like fairly poor ganks.

he got worse because he can no longer clear it at all. He used to be kinda sorta okay with clearing it.

With the change to his fury gains vs Champions and if his vs monsters were the same, his ganks wouldn't actually be bad. Especially since his W gives him 10 Fury for Stunning someone with it.

NoMonku1 votes

I don't actually know if this will do much for him. To me he is a tanky bruiser who needs to be AHEAD to be able to do anything. Even if he gets ahead, he will either choose to get dps, in which he blows up, or get fat, in which he doesn't hurt. I guess it would give him something "new" to do, but I don't think he'd be as viable as say Nasus, who can still get tanky and hurt because of Q farming.

Kingsgrave2 votes

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I don't actually know if this will do much for him. To me he is a tanky bruiser who needs to be AHEAD to be able to do anything. Even if he gets ahead, he will either choose to get dps, in which he blows up, or get fat, in which he doesn't hurt. I guess it would give him something "new" to do, but I don't think he'd be as viable as say Nasus, who can still get tanky and hurt because of Q farming.

He'd excel at counter jungling and dueling.

Sightless662 votes

Unlikely. Counterjungling is a very inefficient strategy unless you are an extremely fast clearer, and Renekton just isn't. It's barely worth using if you have a very strong counterjungler, and Renekton isn't that strong of a counterjungler. As for his dueling in the jungle, he'd have a problem there too. Renekton tends to win lane by forcing and winning a number of trades, instead of just all-inning someone and killing them before they escape. That's a problem for the jungle, where he may be able to outfight someone, but he'll have a hard time actually killing them. He does not have great traits for jungling. I can't think of any problem with making this change for him, but I see very little potential benefit.

Esjaibie1 votes

Dear CynicalGiant,

I feel the same way about Garen and believe many good "top laners" have their freedom hampered in similar fashions to both Garen and Renekton. Can you go into more detail in regards to how you would jungle with Renekton? I feel Garen jungle could be easily balanced if his health regen passive were limited to half while he was in the jungle instead of having no health regen at all.

Cheers, Esjaibie.

YOU BEEN WARNED1 votes

I agree with this, it also has the side effect of fixing the poor result of losing toplane.

When a fighter loses toplane, usually a zone of death applies near the opposing toplaner. The toplaner can't approach farm without having to use an escape or take a massive chunk.

This helps Renekton not be entirely useless when he loses lane, he can actually farm jungle with sunfire cape/hydra.

I think many escape-less toplaners should have this buff against the jungle like Darius Chogath Gangplank similar to how Alistar 's passive used to do more dmg vs creeps.

Messaiga1 votes

Make the bonus fury generation affect large monsters, not the small ones. Otherwise I think he'd be perfectly fine to let loose in the jungle.

Danyoja1 votes

Only if we remove Garen's restriction on his E

Kingsgrave1 votes

They did a while ago

Kuroi861 votes

The change to his fury was made to make Renekton more aggressive in lane. The change would have to specifically target monsters while leaving minions where they are in fury generation to promote aggressive play for Renekton while opening the jungle to him. Otherwise you open up the possibility of Renekton players again staying passive til they have full fury, then going ham for a power house trade and possible kill.

Verarticus1 votes

Not every champion needs to fill multiple roles, and wouldn't removing the fury restriction then make his laning ridiculous? The Renektons I've seen as of late have their fury full almost permanently top lane, if the restriction was removed they might as well make his skills perma empowered. If they're going to make him jungle material it needs to stay something that ONLY affects monsters/minions and not influence every part of him.

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

Only problem I can see is that Rene is supposed to be a dominant laner, no sense wasting those early levels killing creeps. Pantheon, basically. I don't like seeing those types in the jungle because if they get stuck powerfarming early (or just decide to) they're pretty useless later.

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