I don't think I'm even gonna bother playing on 6.3

Smitemuffin·Feb 9, 2016·10 votes·1,156 views

"Let's make a Zed item that REALLY emphasizes the most annoying aspect of playing against him. It won't be broken with Thunderlords AT ALL"

"Let's re-gut Ryze's core mechanics so he can only be useful for a handful of spells. THAT should teach you to just play another marksman in your top lane"

"Let's randomly punish Ziggs players even harder for playing him against any champ with a dash or movement speed above 330. Better start throwing those puts point-blank!"

"Let's change Dragon buffs to make turrets and defensive champs EVEN MORE WORTHLESS. Have fun losing for not playing mid assassin's with double adc and an early pressure jungler (or maybe Graves or Kindred?!). It's not like it was totally broken before now."

32 Comments

disregardableFeb 9, 20163 votes

You realize they buffed Z's ult damage, right?

Ziggs Mega Inferno Bomb (R) Damage in primary blast zone increased to 300/450/600 from 250/375/500 AP ratio increased to 1.1 from .9 Enemies not in primary blast zone take 66% (two-thirds) damage down from 80% [NOTE: Damage should be about the same due to increase in base damage.]

Also, have you not watched any competitive game in the last month? Other than IMT, all they do is play defensively, for 30, 40, 60 minutes...

The Bíg TicketFeb 9, 20163 votes

That's basically only NA though, other regions play alot faster.

ToasteyFeb 9, 20162 votes

yeah please tell me more about how fast and loose korea is playing right now

same

The Bíg TicketFeb 9, 20163 votes

They do play faster lol...maybe you are not watching every game.

ToasteyFeb 9, 20161 votes

if lane swapping for 10 minutes, then milling around in mid until baron is up (because auto-pushing minions are cancer), then baiting baron and/or sieging towers until you've taken the outer ring and maybe a teamfight just so that you can either do or bait baron before you end the game is faster, then sure. the only reason korean games are a bit faster than NA games is because KR closes are cleaner and better planned.

The Bíg TicketFeb 9, 20161 votes

It has been like that since Season 4....I am not a fan of that style either...it is boring to watch but it is a fact that other regions play faster than NA and that only NA teams play so defensively without trying to make plays.

NA teams don't play to win, they play not to lose, IMT is the only exception.

ToasteyFeb 9, 20161 votes

No, every team plays to win. Winning is the only thing a competitive player wants to do. NA teams just have poor macro play and can't decide where and how to win. They don't have a meaningful, flexible, fluid game plan for how to win---at least, not one that works in the field.

IMT is not an exception. They rely far too heavily on brute force teamfighting and mechanical outplays both in lane and in mid-game skirmishes. Up against a godlike macro team, or a team that can match their mechanics while simultaneously outdoing their macro play, IMT is going to roll over and die.

PennsFeb 9, 20163 votes

Funny how you still think adcs are broken and tanks are "worthless" lol.

5050BSFeb 9, 20163 votes

Only some Tanks are not worthless DrMundo Malphite TahmKench Udyr Volibear

PennsFeb 9, 20162 votes

Those tanks, except for Tahm, are just op, no tank (and "fighter) is really "worthless" except for maybe something like Illaoi

SmitemuffinFeb 27, 20161 votes

there's a reason why teams are getting away with triple ADCs right now, and it's not because the game is balanced....

5050BSFeb 9, 20163 votes

Riot has jumped the shark IF they can recover the game it will take years of careful changes to fix the mess they have.

WeatheredFeb 9, 20163 votes

I don't think I'm even gonna bother playing on 6.3

"I'm salty because Zed is good in my ELO."

"I'm more salty because I just called Ryze a marksman."

"Ziggs has been nerfed, but actually buffed also. Still salt."

"More salt about tower chages."

HoukagoFapTimeFeb 9, 20162 votes

1- I don't like that item and i'm scared of it too but it's not an item to be rushed. It costs a lot and if you rush it you'll probably waste its effect durin the laning phase. It'll be a 3rd or 4th item to get, so by that time everyone has their own Zhonya or QSS which removes both zed's ult and this item's mark

2-I'm glad they nerfed him, he was incredibly unhealthy. Get the passive and proceed to permaroot the enemy without him/her being able to do anything.

3- Idk, since i never touch ziggs

4- I agree with that, towers are a non-factor at this point. And giving such strong buffs against them is not a good choice, imho.

You know there's something wrong when 2 super minions can solo your entire NEXUS towers on their own, with no problem.

ToasteyFeb 9, 20162 votes

i don't think the issue is that the nerfed ryze, it's how they nerfed ryze.

then again, ryze is one of vast majority of champions whose kit is super toxic when it works and laughably weak when it doesn't. there seem to be an awful lot of those...might have something to do with the fact that champions are created with pre-conceived ability combos that the designers are trying to force you to use.

SmitemuffinFeb 9, 20161 votes

My point exactly. First they killed his unique "mana stacking mage" identity by forcing you to build tear > RoA > Seraphs > Voidstaff > Deathcap. Now he's pathetically squishy until he has a chance to cast MORE SPELLS THAN HE EVEN HAS, and only then can he even access his core mechanics.

They deliberately needed his W and E so Ryze players have no choice but to level his spells how they say you should. They nerfed his ratios so Ryze players have no choice but to itemize how they say you should. Then they gutted his mechanics so Ryze players have no choice but to play how they say you should. Then they nerfed him again for actually being the best in his role at doing what he's supposed to be doing

ToasteyFeb 9, 20161 votes

Whoa wait a minute, I recognise your IGN. Smitemuffin...weren't you a coach? I remember applying to be analyst of a team that you were supposed to coach. They never got back to me.

Names aside, Riot has a historical tendency of forcing certain champions into certain playstyles. I hesitate to say niches, because it's not even something so broad as fulfilling a role. Rather, they seem to design champions with one set combo in mind, and a very specific pool of items that perfectly fit each champion's scalings. They try to force certain mechanical and macro patterns onto certain champions as if they're trying to fill in a checkbox for "playstyles that we have in our game". It's a pretty unhealthy to design champions, but they've been doing it this way for 6 years.

SmitemuffinFeb 24, 20161 votes

Yes I was. It's a pretty distinct IGN, isn't it?! I coached two Challenger teams on EUW for a small group called HotnSpicy. We even had a former LCS player (ForeIIenLord, Season 2 mid for Team Alternate). They probably didn't respond to you because the managers and I had a slight miscommunication: I asked to pick my own analyst, they thought I asked them to find one for me. I coached those teams for almost all of spring in S4. One team was for tournaments (the players were mostly too young at the time for LCS) that disbanded because of (to my understanding, multiple) family tragedies. The second team was ranked in the top 10 (8th or 9th, I think) on the last day before the Challenger Series deadline, then lost a couple matches just before the cut-off and fell out of top 10. After that, I took a job as an engineer and worked way too much overtime to coach anything less than full-time. I had actually been interviewed to be Head Coach of Dignitas last Spring, but they hired Rico (who I actually think did a fine job considering what he had to work with).

I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to interview you to be my analyst. You can probably tell how badly the NA LCS is hurting for good coaches and staff. I was looking forward to interviewing for the position more extensively to help develop more talent in the region. As an engineer I think the job is pretty easy, but one that many people don't know how to effectively go about. And in the western regions, it shows.

Add me if you'd like and when I can get League to launch, (which it currently will not) I'll happily show you the ropes. You can hone your skills with a Bronze to Diamond rank team, that's what I did at first.

ToasteyFeb 25, 20161 votes

Sounds good to me! I've added you and hope your client gets working soon

SmitemuffinFeb 27, 20161 votes

I'm good now. I accepted your request. I'm also Jordan Frey on the facebook group "League People"

SmitemuffinFeb 9, 20163 votes

Yeah, get QSS so you can have a whole item slot dedicated to empty stats for any non-AD champ. "Counterplay"

HoukagoFapTimeFeb 9, 20161 votes

ADs have QSS, APs have Zhonyas. Tanks..well if zed ults the tank then you win the teamfight.

SmitemuffinFeb 9, 20164 votes

Half the time, Zhonyas is a death sentence. Particularly since the new assassin item, combined with Thunderlords, gives most AD champs even more options to all-in you once the stasis is up.

Did you ever think what that item is going to do on Lucian or Vayne? I'd say Rengar, but only tanks will love 2 seconds even after his Q nerf

SnugglePuggle94Feb 9, 20162 votes

Do you have 3500 gold on you at level 6? No? Then stop talking about us having our Zhonya's against Zed or whoever. It's usually mid game after we have already been killed a few times when we can get it, if that.

I also agree with SmiteMuffin.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

HoukagoFapTimeFeb 9, 20161 votes

No you won't have them and Zed won't have that item since it's not an item to rush.

SnugglePuggle94Feb 9, 20162 votes

I said we wouldn't have them by level 6. And yes if we are AP, usually a Zed goes for a Hexdrinker. I've seen it many times.

AbyssphereFeb 9, 20162 votes

The Ziggs change is exclusively a buff. Do the math before you complain.

SmitemuffinFeb 9, 20161 votes

If you think that's a buff of any significance, you have no idea what state ziggs is in OR how he works. It's a buff pidgeonholed against an exclusively weak set of champions (those without mobility) and no noteworthy change against the rest. It doesn't even fully compensate for the massive increase of magic resistance, loss of ability power or nerfs to mana sustain. Mages are now doubling up on mana regen items, if you haven't noticed all the FQC + Morellos going on.

Your ult gets a little extra damage? Oh GOODY! That's almost balancing out the fact that AD champs can double up on MR items while still getting Quicksilver, Lifesteal and Armor Penetration! And in only two items, no less.

AbyssphereFeb 9, 20161 votes

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If you think that's a buff of any significance, you have no idea what state ziggs is in OR how he works. It's a buff pidgeonholed against an exclusively weak set of champions (those without mobility) and no noteworthy change against the rest. It doesn't even fully compensate for the massive increase of magic resistance, loss of ability power or nerfs to mana sustain. Mages are now doubling up on mana regen items, if you haven't noticed all the FQC + Morellos going on.

Your ult gets a little extra damage? Oh GOODY! That's almost balancing out the fact that AD champs can double up on MR items while still getting Quicksilver, Lifesteal and Armor Penetration! And in only two items, no less.

It doesn't matter if it's not a big buff, the point is that it's not a nerf. You're legitimately saying that you're considering not playing next patch because a champion is getting a buff that isn't quite as big as you'd like.