Zed Is Not Balanced

Smitemuffin··108 votes·7,026 views

Riot has been railing on and on about things like "counterplay", "balance" and "meaningful trade-offs", but has famously left out some of the biggest offenders to this principle. Today we're looking at one - Zed. We'll start off with what he IS:

  1. Able to last hit perfectly, under any circumstance, even at level 1 and under turret. His passive is a perfect execute that takes 90% of the skill out of farming that nearly all other mid laners face.

  2. An AD mid laner that barely needs to build any. BOTRK+Ghostblade+LW has been the meta build on Zed for almost forever. 3 full items in, he only gets 100 AD but an 100%-0 literally anything. BOTRK (the worst of the bunch) is the highest On-Hit AD item in the game vs. anything with over 700 hp, plus 40% attack speed, plus lifesteal, plus a nuke/cc that adds onto his ultimate.

  3. Has no meaningful resources. Energy champs basically behave like a mana champ who always has a blue buff, but Zed is one of the worst offenders. While Shen can't cast his full combo with E last (or if it misses), Zed can throw his full combo with energy to spare. Especially as he gains levels or if he lands either of his two spells that restore energy. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Zed

  4. Has no point of weakness at any stage of the game. With perfect farming starting at level 1, full wave clear for every wave at 3, level 3 kill pressure, multiple early game spikes (Bilgewater Cutlass, Brutalizer, Ult), Zed dominates the early game. The combination of armor penetration, pure damage and ability to spam his high-damage spells are utterly overwhelming for nearly every mid laner in the early game. Between his multiple blinks, summoners, high movement speed and ability to vanish from play (thereby dodging any and every spell), he has no problem farming, pushing and harassing from absolute safety.

When mid game rolls around, he has flat armor pen and BOTRK. If you bought armor, tough luck, it's gone. If you bought HP, tough luck, you just gave him even more damage. Between his two high-damage AoEs and ability to insta-gib a carry on top of it, then instantly blink to safety, his mid-game value is eclipsed BARELY by dedicated mid-game teamfighters like Rumble.

By late game, Zed is the best splitpusher in the game. It's not even debatable. He's fast, slippery, has tons of armor pen, free AD from his W and attack speed. This means he shreds turrets almost instantly and never has to sacrifice safety. Any champ that tries to 1v1 him, he just kills. Even under turret. If you try to 2v1 him, he kills one instantly. Then probably wins the resulting 1v1 through BOTRK, armor pen and the massive sustain he gets from those two in combination.

  1. By level 16, he's assassinating tanks. Zed surely has at least 3 items by now, which are certainly BOTRK, Youmuu's Ghostblade and Last Whisper. With the typical 21/9 masteries, this leaves Zed with 20 points + 41% armor penetration (this comes out to ~51% if you have 200 armor, slightly less if you have 300). BOTRK gives 345 on-hit damage vs a 4000-hp enemy and only drops by 80 for every 1000 hp they lose. BOTRK+ Youmuu's make his attack speed ~1.8, which means 5 auto attacks before his ult pops, plus spells, 10% of the target's max HP from his passive and BOTRK active going into the mark. Bear also in mind that his ultimate basically enhances all damage he deals by 50% when the mark pops.

Balanced? Oh hell no.

142 Comments

AtheosisX50 votes

There are two issues I have with Zed:

  1. He's manaless (I have issues with manaless champs in general unless there is some actual downside to it which there isn't with Zed).

  2. He's too safe, both in terms of farming and in terms of getting away after killing someone.

His damage does not bother me on its own.

Malix Farwin5 votes

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There are two issues I have with Zed:

  1. He's manaless (I have issues with manaless champs in general unless there is some actual downside to it which there isn't with Zed).

  2. He's too safe, both in terms of farming and in terms of getting away after killing someone.

His damage does not bother me on its own.

I don't like that he can 2shot tanks when most assassins cant. Also, since he hits harder then any other assassins he kinda invalidates ap assassins because he can hit hard, out sustain, and splitpush.

MakersF4 votes

Yeah, I think AD assassin, when they are as effective as AP assassins in killing, are way better than their AP counterpart: they are extremely efficient in taking turrets and they can lifesteal back to full life. Add to that that he doesn't even have mana and that's really hard to manage.

BUT, TO BE FAIR, IT MUST BE SAID THAT IF YOU ARE AND AP, YOU BUILD ZHONIAS AND YOU ARE IMMUNE TO ZED. Since the ulti need him to deal dmg before popping, and it is announced, you can zhonia when he ults you and he'll deal no dmg. And now zed is basically out of the equation. Moreover, there are only 30 secs when he has his ulti and you don't have zhonya, if your team is not able to not engage for 30 seconds then maybe you'd lose anyways. The same goes with shields, immunities, heals to prevent the mark from killing.

Sypher The Poro2 votes

My biggest issue is his W passive. Zed builds pure AD, and his W at max rank gives him bonus Attack Damage equal to 25% of his current AD. At 200 AD, which is not hard to get to, he gets 50 for nothing. It's a free item 3089 just for Zed.

Kowe The Ewok30 votes

Riot nerfed item 3174 and (on PBE) item 3165 because certain mages cleard waves too well. Meanwhile Zed had 2 great waveclear tools... Meanwhile Riot suggests that mages should simply build an additional early item 3070 in addition to their regular mana item to compensate for the nerfs. Meanwhile it's completely fine for Zed to be able to spamm his abilities and rush a item 3134 or item 3144, while mages now are supposed to to spent 1340g on item 3114 and item 3070 .

Certain defensers of manaless champions argue "but ma rotations" acting, like lategame teamfights would actually last longer than 12 seconds. Or acting like being "out of energy" actually meant anything other than having slightly longer cooldowns. Well, if it were increased cooldowns... Zed gets 50 energy in 5 seconds without energy runes. While a Shuriken costs 75 down to 55 every 6 seconds.

Sidenote: E-reg gets up to 55.57 with yellows, infinite casting yey! But God forbid Zed LeeSin or Akali would have waste precious rune slots (worth 9 Armor) like Orianna has to - even if it meant infinite casting.

TonyTonyMordecai11 votes

Energy ATM is kind of like saying that since the Energy can't be increased by items, is fair because Mana can be increased throughout the game, and the rate at which it is recovered can also be increased. Some, if not most, Mana Mages also don't have escapes/dashes, so the whole energy thing needs to be rethought or base damages or % AD increases needs to be decreased, or something on order for the manaless champions to be on par with how item reliant some mages are ATM

Kowe The Ewok2 votes

I completely agree.

Chaotic Reks5 votes

Riot's trying to force players to play the champs that they want you to play. They've taken away smiteless jungling (RIP my Hecarim) and they've nerfed almost every other champion into oblivion where only their "golden champs" can even do well anymore because they have big flashy plays.

Junkο5 votes

Zed has to wait 20 seconds after clearing a wave to use his abilities again. Champs like Ori and Ziggs just spammed endlessly and never ran out.

Riot seems to be on a huge hyprocrisy streak lately though.

The Ellimiist19 votes

And how long does it take for the next wave to arrive?

Kowe The Ewok2 votes

Zed can clean waves with E as well. 4s CD without CDR.

Junkο2 votes

So? If he uses his entire WEQ combo he will have to wait for energy to recharge to farm safely again. Unless he walks into the enemy minion wave and uses E and makes himself an easy target

Kowe The Ewok8 votes

Why should he use all his spells? It's enough to use one per wave and his opponent will be OOM in less than a minute or loose significant amount of creeps to the tower.

If you argue that Zed does a full waveclear (and actually overkills the waveclear for some unknown reason by also using W) you would have to consider how much mana mages would burn...

I still can't understand how Zed mains can defend being able to spam a 55 Energy skills with 6s base CD when they gain 50 energy per 5. Not to mention that his ultimate has no cost. Hell, that already is about as ressourceless as it gets.

Narasimha19 votes

By late game, Zed is the best splitpusher in the game. It's not even debatable.

Nasus and Tryndamere would like a word with you.

By level 16, he's assassinating tanks.

I sincerely hope he's assassinating the tank. Because guess what? Then he can't assassinate the actually important targets.

Want to know a secret about Zed? Well lean in close kids, because here it is. He's the 'lowest risk' assassin because he is, in fact, the 'lowest reward' assassin. Don't believe me? Lets take a look at a few others.

Akali Has higher kill potential and can snowball quicker from it Katarina Can turn one kill into a penta Khazix Is better at killing isolated targets and has higher team fight presence Kassadin Unchallenged in mobility late game

Now Zed? He can kill a squishy, sure. But he falls off harder late game as well. He can't really compete in team fights because the delay on his ult makes it too easy to trap him, and his build isn't good enough for reliable split pushing.

Hoi Im Temmo4 votes

Why was this guy down voted? Did anyone actually disagree? Cause no one even responded....

AtheosisX19 votes

I'm going to guess that they think his take is wrong. Speaking personally I don't really agree with what he's saying at all. Akali and Zed are basically overpowered assassin A and overpowered assassin B right now. Katarina is a different matter altogether as she is more of a team killer than a single target assassin, and I personally find her to be rather weak unless she is super fed (and even then cc and burst damage wreck her). Kha'Zix isn't generally a mid-laner so not even worth commenting on. And Kassadin is even lower risk than Zed (though unlike Zed he pays for it) so I'm not sure what he's on about there. He also doesn't even address the elephant in the room which is Zed's lack of mana and overly generous energy economy.

Junkο3 votes

and even then cc and burst damage wreck her

Just like Zed and Akali you mean?

Malix Farwin7 votes

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Just like Zed and Akali you mean?

Oh wanna cc zed?

good luck because chances are in lane he will be zoning you with his shadow getting free poke damage till he can all in you under your turret without you being able to do anything.

Zhonyas? by the time you buy that he would of already killed you 2+ times and roaming

Junkο6 votes

His shadow range is 550. The range of most ranged mage abilities is bigger than that. Not to mention it's on a 18 second cooldown early game. That's HUGE window for you to attack him.

majulito3 votes

His shadow is 550 his q is 900 his e is 290. so a wq= 1450 we=840. If he is clearing a wave from that far there is no window to attack him because he has no need to be close to you anymore unless you are low and he wants to kill you.

Junkο2 votes

Meanwhile Ziggs Q has 1400 range on 4 second cooldown.

So hard to damage a Zed

majulito4 votes

ziggs goes oom really fast early on if he spams especially with the mana regen changes. Also zed still out ranges him.

Junkο4 votes

Also zed still out ranges him.

are you dumb or?

Zed only outranges Ziggs with WQ every 18 seconds. Ziggs outranges Zed with every single other ability he has.

That's like saying Zed outranges Xerath because WQ has more range

NoFunWithNunu3 votes

You are either, a zed main or really stupid, maybe both, zed CAN and will spam skills all day because he is manaless, he dosnt need to buy regen items, he has low cooldowns per nature, meanwhile all the other long range mages or any mana champ, requires a tear or mana regen items in order to clear waves like zed meanwhile zed only bothers to buy ad heavy items (and a hexdrinker if he is getting reket by magic) its the same issue with snowball champs, just worse on zed because he gets free ad and again he is MANALESS aka i can spam like a bitch and not be punished

Junkο4 votes

he has low cooldowns per nature

His skill that allows him to safely farm has 18 SECONDS COOLDOWN

NoFunWithNunu3 votes

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His skill that allows him to safely farm has 18 SECONDS COOLDOWN

again you are REALLY stupid, his shurikens are more than enough to farm, and its 6 SECONDS COOLDOWN (base cooldown) the only moment when you need his shadow is when you want to clear wave, besides that with shuriken and passive is more than enough, taking in mind the range of shurikens

MrFisterRoboto14 votes

I have to agree. Zero risk, all reward. He's the perfect assassin, with no weakness, no downside, no reason not to pick him in every game.

Junkο1 votes

I agree unloading your entire combo, getting out, only to find out the APC Zhonya'd the ult or ADC QSS'd so your ultimate is wasted is so high reward. And you didn't even have to jump into the enemy team all for nothing.

If you think he has no weakness play Lissandra, play Kayle, and spam laugh

Malix Farwin7 votes

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I agree unloading your entire combo, getting out, only to find out the APC Zhonya'd the ult or ADC QSS'd so your ultimate is wasted is so high reward. And you didn't even have to jump into the enemy team all for nothing.

If you think he has no weakness play Lissandra, play Kayle, and spam laugh

what you dont understand is... ZED DOESNT NEED HIS ULT

Trumpet5 votes

Which is why he is 100% pick-ban in all pro-games since his release. It really means that his kit should be looked at.

Leti the Yeti11 votes

I stopped fearing Zed... ever since I started going mid lane he stopped being scary... hes good in lane cuz theres only 1 target for him to kill where he excels at of course it's gonna suck

Taking a look back.. he isnt all that scary later in the game either Had a fed zed.. was pretty darn worried but we had a fking Talon that started eating some people here and there and was able to counter burst down zed and it went down hill from there...

He is definitely safe but I don't find him that rewarding not often do i see a fed zed carrying games...They will kill probably one guy, and thats it Unlike fed Akalis who turn 1 kill into another kill into another kill into a penta kill...

The Ellimiist4 votes

To be fair talon is like the 1 midlaner that can counter zed since you just ult in response to his ult, move forward and possibly kill him. The sad part is that you probably wont get the zed anyways so by counter its more like go even.

AtheosisX3 votes

Talon isn't the only counter to Zed mid. That said I get really tired of people bringing up the handful of soft counters Zed has as some kind of proof he's balanced. I also get tired of people who bring up that he needs to be judicious with his ult in team fights or he dies. We aren't talking about idiots who don't know what they are doing and dive enemy teams with their ult. We are talking about when people actually know how to use him.

kromon1k10 votes

Zed is fine. Ofc you're gonna get raped by him in a 1v1, that's what zed does. In a teamfight it's not hard for your team to land one stun on him when he dives and then he's dead. Also he doesn't get resets. He can only kill 1 person with his combo. He's not like kat, fizz, and akali. After zed kills someone his energy is low and all his burst is on cd for a while. He's done for the rest of the fight. After kat/akali/fizz kills someone they turn to the nearest enemy and assassinate them too. How many times have you seen a kat get a triple/quadra/peta kill? Probably alot. When's the last time you've seen a zed qudra?

flibitydoo9 votes

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Zed is fine. Ofc you're gonna get raped by him in a 1v1, that's what zed does.

He's completely balanced.

In a teamfight it's not hard for your team to land one stun on him when he dives and then he's dead.

stunning him is easy, it's not like he goes untargetable like fizz/blinks everywhere like kat to dodge cc

Also he doesn't get resets. He can only kill 1 person with his combo.

and ONLY 1 person, with his 2 AD scaling aoe spells and 6%-10% max health on auto attacks

He's not like kat, fizz, and akali.

He's different because he doesn't have a weak laning phase during which he can abused. Also he builds AD items instead of AP items.

After zed kills someone his energy is low and all his burst is on cd for a while.

His damaging abilities have a 4 and 6 second cooldown (taking 2-7 seconds to replenish the energy costs if you didn't use the energy restore on his shadow), which is a large enough window to take him down without retaliation

He's done for the rest of the fight.

Zed is completely dependant on his cooldowns as his autos do not deal a lot of damage because he builds AD

After kat/akali/fizz kills someone they turn to the nearest enemy and assassinate them too.

Zed's lack of DPS from building AD items prevents him from killing multiple enemies and contributing to the rest of the fight until his cooldowns come back

How many times have you seen a kat get a triple/quadra/peta kill? Probably alot. When's the last time you've seen a zed qudra?

He can't kill a whole team because tanks always build armor and health, which Zed, who builds amor penetration and BoRK as core can't deal damage to.

Zed is perfectly balanced!

Desmond Law10 votes

Suggestions:

Shadows need to have 2 hit points similar to Kalista's spirit wards.

Shadows can't be killed, but when hit with spells/ auto attacks will funnel 50% of the damage to Zed. if zed and the shadow is hit by an AoE, zed takes full damage + the funneled damage. Counts with Living Shadow and Death Mark's shadow.

Up the energy cost of his shuriken since he's the only ninja with reliable poke. Force him to be melee.

Restore energy only when mimic'd version of shurken and shadow slash lands.

Up the cooldown of shuriken to 10 seconds. For every shuriken that hits a unit, the cooldown is reduced by 2 seconds. Not per unit, only if the shuriken hits at all. Meaning if he lands one shuriken on a full minion wave, it's still only reduced by 2 seconds. If he throws a shuriken + a mimic shuriken and they both go in a minion wave, it will only go down by 4 seconds(2 seconds per shuriken)

Junkο4 votes

That's a fucking terrible idea. You use W to harass? Congrats now you take free damage for no reason from the enemies entire combo and there is nothing you can do about it.

Use W late game to slow down people chasing you or jump over a wall? You die instantly.

NotEvenMyMain4 votes

I agree. This idea is outrageous. I only wish Zed had to make meaningful purchases to get the damage that he does. Not just build every cheap utility item and get the same burst as every other assassin.

Junkο5 votes

Riot should just remove the W passive problem solved. No really on a normal Zed build you get like 100-150 free AD late game

Duchess of Deer7 votes

ha as a person who has been playing zed it is nigh impossible to carry with him sure he'll nuke your adc but them he's done trading a high damage target for another if your team is any good they will cc him the first chance they get

view the reason why i stopped bring zed to ranked sure you can do well in lane but you can't solo carry

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1680591832/203169151?tab=overview http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1679854121/203169151?tab=overview http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1664586378/203169151?tab=overview

PokladnicaZla11 votes

I will probably get downvoted for this,but here it goes.The reason why people lose while playing Zed,Yasuo or any other assassin is YOLO.

I have seen it countless time,you get fed you stomp mid and go roaming.You hit lategame and you just go yolo thinking that you can kill 1 or more enemies,safely get out and win the game.Only tha opposite happens,the enemy team sticks close and you get killed by trying to kill.It´s a 4vs5 game,while your teams highest value target has been alredy killed bacuse of yolo.The enemy team engages makes an ace and fifnishes the game.

Junkο3 votes

It's impossible to not play Zed yolo. Early game you will turret dive for kills a lot because you need to get fed. Late game you will need to yolo if you wish to kill the enemy ADC/APC. And unlike assassins like Kat or Talon, he gives a big warning.

PokladnicaZla2 votes

I mean YOLO like,going solo against the whole enemy team while yur team is still doing something else.

Duchess of Deer1 votes

you say get fed as if it is an easy thing if your enemy mid laner had any sense they would counter pick you

PokladnicaZla9 votes

Its Zed...You counter nearly 90% of all the mages and a few assassins.Also note that many people fight over mid,so that the midlaner mostly picks as 1st or 2nd pick.

Malix Farwin2 votes

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you say get fed as if it is an easy thing if your enemy mid laner had any sense they would counter pick you

lol who counters zed?

AtheosisX4 votes

Kayle, Lissandra, Malzahar all come to mind. There are others. Though most of his counters are more soft counters than outright shutdown counters.

Malix Farwin7 votes

{quoted}

ha as a person who has been playing zed it is nigh impossible to carry with him sure he'll nuke your adc but them he's done trading a high damage target for another if your team is any good they will cc him the first chance they get

view the reason why i stopped bring zed to ranked sure you can do well in lane but you can't solo carry

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1680591832/203169151?tab=overview http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1679854121/203169151?tab=overview http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1664586378/203169151?tab=overview

You cant carry with zed DOES NOT mean zed cant carry

SKiTHx5 votes

It has bothered me for a long time now that an AD assassin (Talon) has to use mana while zed gets a free pass on the no mana. Think for a second if Talon was allowed to spam abilities all day and not have a consequence? yea... exactly.

Stephenizgod5 votes

Zed is really only considered OP because they nerfed all the assassins except for him. He did receive a buff, but im seriously doubting it made him into this unstoppable monster everyone is complaining about. Yea he is safe, yes he can poke, yep he is manaless, but he has always been like this and no one cared last season. Well thats not entirely true, but it wasnt a big deal. There are 3 or 4 "zed is op" posts a day and they immediately get over 50 upvotes.

Basically everyone is only noticing that Zed is OP, because everyone else who was better has been nerfed in some way.

FYI im not a Zed player, i suck with Zed and most assassins, i just noticed that he has always been capable of what he does.

Bring on the downvotes

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