Can we please tone down the ap damage to towers

Rexxiee·Jul 19, 2018·27 votes·11,967 views

When trynds start going AP over AD just to push faster something is wrong, revert all this AP damage to tower buffs already.

43 Comments

DuskDaUmbreonJul 19, 201818 votes

I saw an earlier idea about capping AP damage to turrets, mainly to stop Veigar and other AP-heavy burst champs from doing higher DPS to turrets than actual DPS champions.

Would that help?

Z3SleeperJul 19, 20184 votes

I think a soft cap would be better. That way you still scale damage vs turrets but you aren't blowing em up.

That or calculate attack speed into tower damage as well, since attack speed AP builds really skew the AP damage vs turrets.

Or maybe just make it a drawback passive on Nashors. Unique Passive - Damage dealt to turrets is reduced by 20%. Idk. Hard issue to tackle without hitting people who don't deserve a nerf to their tower damage.

RyzeTheSmurfMageJul 20, 20181 votes

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I saw an earlier idea about capping AP damage to turrets, mainly to stop Veigar and other AP-heavy burst champs from doing higher DPS to turrets than actual DPS champions.

Would that help?

Hehehe I remember how I was in super late game with Veigar once. We couldn't push because they had better team comp, but neither could them because I was fed, full build and around 2000 AP (it was after the new mage items this patch). There were no towers on the map anymore because I was literally 1v4ing when under them by W spam, so I exchanged my Morelonomicon for Lich Bane and backdoored. I finished their entire base in less than a minute including the nexus.

Critmaster GarenJul 19, 20189 votes

how about no, and they just increase overall turret health?

GripaAviaraJul 19, 20181 votes

it's the same thing mathematically since turrets don't have variable stats

Critmaster GarenJul 20, 20182 votes

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it's the same thing mathematically since turrets don't have variable stats

the difference is that marksmen dont become better at taking turrets relative to ap champions.

SnugglesnacksJul 20, 20181 votes

I mean really, I don't see what's so hard about this idea to at least see how it goes.

EnigmaticMachineNov 2, 20191 votes

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how about no, and they just increase overall turret health?

Then champs who are not ad or ap are just royally fucked.

koshkyraJul 20, 20188 votes

Can we please tone down the ap damage to towers

There you go

RanmaruJul 19, 20186 votes

how about both?

wildfox99Jul 19, 20185 votes

yea a champion abuse a machanic so all other champions have to suffer for it

just nerf trynda,AP damage on towers is fine

RexxieeJul 19, 20188 votes

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yea a champion abuse a machanic so all other champions have to suffer for it

just nerf trynda,AP damage on towers is fine

Trynd is not the only example of this.

Just look at every mage going bot lane and replacing adc, the thing is that they are doing comparable damage if not more than adcs to towers, and ppl wonder why towers are crumbling over, before it used to be the ADC job to kill them, now everything including ap champs (who are not supposed to be good at tower taking) just 2 shot them.

wildfox99Jul 19, 201812 votes

now everything including ap champs (who are not supposed to be good at tower taking) just 2 shot them.

you mean Ziggs and Heimerdinger ,champions literally made for wrecking towers?

the only other example that comes in my mind is Veigar because of his insanely high AP

where is the problem if an APC deals the same damage of an ADC on the towers? ADC are supposed to DPS tanky targets,APC to burst,each classes are not supposed to wreck towers better than the other (unless your champion was made for that),or at least this is what riot wanted when they added AP scalings on towers AA

Z3SleeperJul 19, 20189 votes

Actually, traditionally ADC was required for 2 reasons: Teamfight DPS and Sieging.

Crescent DuskJul 20, 20182 votes

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Actually, traditionally ADC was required for 2 reasons: Teamfight DPS and Sieging.

And they're still the best at sieging and melting tanks. ADC's outrange every single mage being used in botlane. People don't take Swain bot because of his magnificent siege (it's garbage). They take him bot because these lanes are all about snowballing early and catching up against 1-2 kills currently is almost impossible unless the other team throws.

wildfox99Jul 20, 20183 votes

traditionally ADC can't deny a whole assassin kit with an ability or/and ending up outbursting them Xayah Kaisa

league is not the old league anymore

LuthianDelphiJul 19, 20185 votes

AD's still generally push faster the AP's unless its an AP known for pushing like Diana, ziggs, hiemer. and even then theres AD's who push faster than those 3.

AugustHeatHazeJul 19, 20181 votes

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Trynd is not the only example of this.

Just look at every mage going bot lane and replacing adc, the thing is that they are doing comparable damage if not more than adcs to towers, and ppl wonder why towers are crumbling over, before it used to be the ADC job to kill them, now everything including ap champs (who are not supposed to be good at tower taking) just 2 shot them.

full ap ezreal does more damage to towers than ad ezreal lol

like im not complaining but its pretty funny, its FUN but idk it might be a bit much pretty sure ziggs does more damage to towers than any adc.

3TWarriorJul 19, 20181 votes

it's not that ADC are weak, it's that towers are weak so it does not matter what you use to take them

CppLJul 20, 20181 votes

Have you seen diana mid game? the bitch is almost 3 shooting turets..

Kats PajamasJul 19, 20184 votes

real talk tho, have you ever seen a nashtooth malphite? he 4 shots them with 2.0 atkspd.

Also, ap damage to towers has existed like, a long time, this isn't a recent change, or would be easy to change, without tons of compensation buffs.

Z3SleeperJul 19, 20183 votes

They recently buffed it. Which is why OP is saying to revert that buff.

V8.9 Basic attack AP ratio against turrets increased to 60% AP from 50% AP.

Malix FarwinJul 19, 20181 votes

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They recently buffed it. Which is why OP is saying to revert that buff. Basic attack AP ratio against turrets increased to 60% AP from 50% AP.

pretty sure they are not going to.

Z3SleeperJul 20, 20181 votes

Yeah I think they most definitely won't. It's not even an issue really.

Giga BaboonJul 19, 20184 votes

Tryndameres are going AP because AP gives way more CDR than Crit. Tryndameres are going AP because once you hit level 9 you can start doing things, unlike crit tryndamere which doesn't do anything if he isn't fed or has 3 items. Tryndameres are going AP because there's so much fucking mobility creep in the game the only way for him to compete is to get 45% CDR E max and just have a flash on a 3 second cooldown like every other champion in the fucking game.

How about Riot actually start doing their jobs and fix the million things in this game that's fucking broken. How about that. How about they fix literally anything at all, instead of buffing Garen to sell skins. But we all know meddler isn't going to do shit but release a season 8 was an astounding success we learned valuable lessons shit post in 3 months and then go on christmas break for another 3 months, so why ask.

remakoroJul 20, 20181 votes

Who the fuck cares why he goes AP? Its not the point. When full AP xerath deals the same dmg to towers as his whole team together its plain wrong.

Salvor HardınJul 19, 20183 votes

Better Nerf Tryndamere.

Daddy AntsJul 19, 20183 votes

AP tower damage should never have been buffed to begin with.

Rıots Bad ClientJul 19, 20183 votes

I want to believe its being caused by item 3100

I think that item 3078 item 3025 And item 3100 damage should Not apply to turrets.

remakoroJul 20, 20181 votes

Well. Surprise surprise. It isnt.

KmSneakyJul 19, 20182 votes

How about we just buff towers both defensively and offensively ? I mean it's been 5 seasons since the last time I remember towers being effective and difficult to take down.

koshkyraJul 20, 20182 votes

lmao ive seen a item 3100 ziggs do almost 1700 damage to a turret with one auto (full build)

5050BSJul 20, 20181 votes

Thats because of AP damage, item 3100 proc, Ziggs Passive Proc

HayaishiJul 20, 20182 votes

Saw a Veigar 3 shot a tower the other day.

JoeMGJul 20, 20182 votes

Can we please tone down the damage*

aaaustindestroy1Jul 19, 20181 votes

meme answer: No because that'll make the game too long so the Koreans will have to cough up some extra money

Real answer: rito pls

SõnaJul 19, 20181 votes

or just nerf Tryndamere?

chipndip1Jul 19, 20181 votes

WackoJul 20, 20181 votes

I played veigar on ARAM and by 20 min my autos did 515 damage to turrets. My team even spam pinged me when they saw each auto did 515. And the worst part was I hadn’t even bought elixir yet, I’m sure I would’ve done way more