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I like Yasuo... The hate is excessive.

Skorch··4 votes·650 views

Now i don't main him (ironically he is my highest mastery champion, but that's mainly due to my sucking at champs i DO main[I just want my master 6 Jhin man]) but i do find him enjoying to play. I pull him out usually in the mid lane when crit/lifesteal was good. More recently Top lane after i realized IE, PD, boots, bruiser was really strong.

While i definitely wont deny there are some things in his kit that aren't very balanced (mainly his double crit, combo'd with his q)

I feel there are many parts in his kit people hate on excessively (his shield passive, windwall, and to an extent his dash)

His shield passive gets hate for honestly just being part of him, its not the first passive like this, and while it technically is a 2 part passive this part isn't that bad Malzahar Malphite for instance have shields that are decently harder to pop.

His Windwall argument i just hate. People argue CONSTANTLY about how melee people have an disadvantage (which my opinion is DUH, thats the benefit of being ranged.) but when you give people a tool TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE, people hate on it. with the only context provided is "It blocks ranged things like ults and my adcs autos it's dumb"

His dash i can understand why people dislike it but personally, i find it just limited enough to where it isnt that broken. I feel like there is a place in a game for a champ that can move all over the place. And before people respond that with "BUH WHY DOES YASUO HAVE TO BE THAT CHAMP" because if it was on another champ you'd hate it just as much and much of yasuos strength does come from this ability. But at the same time a lot of his weakness also comes from this ability so its a trade off.

AND PLEASE stop hating all people that aren't even yasuo mains, just dont hate him, its excessive.

I think the reason i posted this was today especially i saw much more hate (and most likely upvote farming) than normal.

You farm upvotes? But I... I farm downvotes.

EDIT: When you realize the error of putting "I Like Yasuo" in the title... there is a fair chance that people will downvote without reading... Im not saying that because it is being downvoted. i expected that, its just something i thought of.

[TLDR: his shield, windwall, and for the most part dash get much more hate than they should.]

22 Comments

Skorch2 votes

By god you type Yasuo in the title and it gets 18 views in 3 minutes.

Craft Zeppelin2 votes

My hate upon yasuo is his ablity to get 100% accurate cs bu just hitting QE with a shiv and doing it all over again migrating from toplane to botlane so he can scale. Which makes him the one and only threat on his team It is just dumb for the person who killed yasuo mulitple times, and also for his teammates who were robbed of their gold and exp by this cheap yet dogmatic tactic that embodies the ego of yasuo players.

Skorch1 votes

First of all screw you, i say that to anyone who generalizes people, but its the boards so i don't say i'm surprised. Now that that's done, currently yasuo doesn't even build shiv anymore, and his ability to cast spells quickly does indeed give him better than average farm overall. BUT i will say i have NEVER in my 3ish years playing league of legends seen a player on any champion repetitively rob entire waves from their teammates without consent. So overall i rate this argument [fabricated/invalid]

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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First of all screw you, i say that to anyone who generalizes people, but its the boards so i don't say i'm surprised. Now that that's done, currently yasuo doesn't even build shiv anymore, and his ability to cast spells quickly does indeed give him better than average farm overall. BUT i will say i have NEVER in my 3ish years playing league of legends seen a player on any champion repetitively rob entire waves from their teammates without consent. So overall i rate this argument [fabricated/invalid]

I'm surprised you don't use this strategy. Since his kit yells to do this. Yasuos CAN and WILL use this tactic and I have seen this many times since I have started this game. I am so irritated, about this champion who has the one of the highest death rates with low assist and kill conversion has these crit mathematics and CS stealing strats for him to win kicking his allies and making fools of his opponents.

Skorch1 votes

I will say i have never seen this, while being an excellent tactic to get him fed, sadly his build recommendation is no longer statik as i found crit/lifesteal yasuo to be much more balanced than bruiser. now you go pd meaning that while it still works, its much harder to pull off quickly. The main thing would be i would ask my top laner if i could tax some farm, typically i play in premades and they all love top so itd probably would get done.

I hate my ADC2 votes

Give me one reason not to hate a champion whose entire design is based on making the game unfun for everyone but himself?

Does this looks like fun to the Nami for you? : http://i.imgur.com/V6xbuMl.png

Don't get me started on how much fun it is to fight a champion who can dash more than a freaking Riven with 45% CDR at LEVEL 2. Or how stupidly easy it is for a Yasuo to kill CS.

Skorch1 votes

For one Yasuo's ENTIRE KIT isn't based around the windwall, in fact i found that to be the most outset ability of the rest. But when people complain about getting outranged all the time, why does his windwall get hate. And while yes he can burn entire ults so can MANY other champions Sivir Fizz Braum Elise Morgana Fiora Lissandra to name a few. And they also are used to block basic abilities, so saying it CAN block someones ult that also means you want to bait it out. For Nami in your example throw a q at yasuo first, that q will be just as dangerous to yasuo directly as your ult will. meaning if he wants to live as your team will most likely be with you he will HAVE to use his windwall to survive.

On top of that every champion is built with a kit that, needs to not be directly unfair. Are built to HAVE AND BE counters to some things. Every champion in the game is designed to have something that will favor you or your team. If you picked a champion that benefited the enemy, we'll that wouldnt be very helpful wouldnt it.

As for his dash, as i said earlier yasuo unlike riven while having the ability to dash more than her (not so much at level 2 as there is a fair delay in dashes in that time for yas and riven if rotating spells correctly can have a similar amount of dashes AT LEVEL 2) his ability to dash is also very limited in only being able to dash to targets, not in any direction.

And for your CS argument, while Yas can kill CS easily, that shouldn't be a fault in a champs design unless its the reverse, Being good at csing (while important) isnt going to make a champion broken based off of just that reason, if you had a champ based around NOTHING but farming, would that champ be op. The issue in farming is if its TOO difficult to farm, that is where a disadvantage will occur. Most champions can keep up with farm against yasuo, while he is good at it, it isnt a reason to consider him broken Ahri Annie Brand Caitlyn Cassiopeia Sivir Gangplank Xerath Viktor

TLDR: Windwall isnt the only antifun move so why is it considered the most broken, kits are made to favor the players ability to fight others, not making it easier for enemies to kill you, his dash is more limited than people believe it is, CS isnt an argument for balance unless the champion is TOO bad at farming

I hate my ADC1 votes

Because, Windwall DESTROYs projectiles. Unbreakable BLOCKs projectiles. There is a massive difference between both.

Braum still gets CCed and actually take damage. A Nami's Q will still CC anyone AROUND Braum making it actually favorable for a Nami that knows how to use it to her advantage. A Yasuo takes NO DAMAGE and NEGATE ALL CCs by using Windwall, projectiles blocked by Braum STILL HAVE AN EFFECT.

Sivir's Spellshield doesn't stop a Nami wave, it negates the effect only for Sivir, just like a Banshee's Veil would. Same goes for Morgana's Shield, it doesn't destroy nor block projectiles. Fizz, Elise and Lissandra doesn't block anything AT ALL, the projectile just goes through and can hit a different enemy. As for Fiora, again, it doesn't destroy nor block projectiles, it simply negates their effects for Fiora only. A Nami's wave would still keep on going.

Don't give me this "dash is very limited" bullshit. The limitation of that dash is nowhere as limiting as you are trying to make it sound.

And I won't even bother explaining why having one of the fastest wave clear in the game isn't a good thing on a champion that excels at other aspects of the game. It's not worth wasting my time typing down a novel on why Yasuo's kit is overloaded as F. It already was said too many times and you still have Yasuo fanboys making threads about how the hate for Yasuo is unfounded. The hate for Yasuo is absolutely FOUNDED. He is UNFUN for ANYONE playing AGAINST him. You think Syndra has the highest ban rate because she's too good? Hell no! She's garbage. Below 50% winrate. She gets banned because SHE ISN'T FUN TO PLAY AGAINST.

It's the same reason why I ban Jhin every single game I get a ban. Because I don't want to see his dumb anti-fun ult one more time in my life.

Skorch1 votes

Im not denying there are pieces of his kit that are strong, what im saying is complaining about every piece of his kit is unfounded. as nerfing or changes some places on his kit would help with the issue.

His windwall is simply a counterplay tool, dont like yasuo windwalling your ult, THEN BAIT HIS WINDWALL. Especially in the early game it has a near 30sec cooldown.

His dash IS limited as any half ass decent yasuo will tell you. If you dont beleive it then hop into a custom with him and e every targetable opponent and see how helpful it is.

And what IM saying is dont complain about someones farm being good, from other parts of their kit being overloaded. Since you probably would farm good BECAUSE said kit is overloaded.

I could write an entire novel on how you STOP yasuo, every champ has ways you fight them.

I hate my ADC1 votes

You don't need a novel to stop a Yasuo. You just need to ban him.

His Windwall being a "counterplay tool" doesn't change how frustrating and unfun it is to deal with.

It's not a matter of balance. It's a matter of fun. League of Legends is a game and when people literally DODGE or AFK before the game even start ONLY because there is a Yasuo in the game is unacceptable. A champion who's design drains the fun from the game for other players is a champion with a bad design. A champion design shouldn't only be about how much fun it is to play said champion. Unique mechanics don't have to be so infuriating to deal with.

Lee Sin is a perfect example of a good design. He is FUN to play as and even though he is the second highest picked champion in the game, he doesn't have his name splattered on the board every single day about how everybody hates his face.

Skorch1 votes

Personally i find it fun to play as, with, and against yasuo. Because when i fight him i know when he beats me and i can see how i screwed up. It feels like an actual battle.

And how unfun is it being melee against ranged ADCs, I personally dont have an issue but it is a common theme on the boards on how unfun being melee is right now.

Requiemsfire1 votes

But oh my god if only I didn't get Yasuo in god damn 99.99% of all my normal games (an exaggration but almost reality). I would almost be content with Yasuo being gutted if it meant people stopped picking him all the god damn time.

Skorch1 votes

Trust me... It wouldnt work

Requiemsfire1 votes

Thus I humbly reserve my ban in every ranked game. Putting up with Yasuo on either side of the game is infuriating to no end.

Skorch1 votes

Youre just making them want him more, learn how to fight him if hes on the enemy team, and trust and help him if hes on your team. While yes he may be garbage. Wouldnt the same thing happen if ANYONE on your team is garbage. How come when a Yasuo is bad its, this damn yasuo is so bad i hate it when yasuos are on my team. But when a malphite feeds on your team its a bad player.

Requiemsfire1 votes

Let me tell you, I have more than information in my the thousands of games i've where probably 50-60% of then contained a yasuo and I know how to face a Yasuo. Feeding isn't the only reason I hate seeing a Yasuo on my team, and it's definitely a lot more than Yasuo being a cheesy pubstomper.

Btw the comparison of Malazahar's and Malphite's passive is very strawman argument. Both those passives serve entirely purposes and have different weaknesses. Malphite's reinforces his tankiness by taking 10% of maximum HP and applying a as a shield which only replenishes out combat. Malzahar gives him a very brief second of immunity to damage and CC but only once again refreshes out of combat. Yasuo's refreshes based on his movement which means it replenishes in combat. The reason people hate Yasuo's passive is because even if you deal with it, if you don't the flow bar below Yasuo's health it'll come back up and block follow up damage.

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

I, for one, am all in favour of his windwall.

Melees can get zoned, creep blocked, poked down, and infinitely kited, but god forbid someone denies our ranged overlords the ability to attack in a specific direction for a couple seconds

Skorch1 votes

Insanely out of topic but you must be i assume canadian, This is the NA boards and while i know people do post here from Europe that is my guess.

Im saying this because the "U" in "Favour" actually jarred me.

Danjeng1 votes

If he's your highest mastery, you main him.

Skorch1 votes

sadly not, i wish i got more games as him honestly i havent played him in very long. i got mastery 6 soon after mastery 6 and 7 came out. I currently main (or attempt to main) Xerath, or Annie mid (used to be brand but he got REALLY boring) or Jhin, Ashe, Twitch bot. With the occasional Darius top. However recently i have been trying many new champions in different roles. My latest mastery 6 however is Kha Zix. I will say though there was a time soon after i got him i played him a lot, back then was when crit/lifesteal was most popular however and i found that much more healthy than tank or bruiser yasuo which is what is meta now.

Danjeng1 votes

I feel for you though. The downvotes show that they must really hate Yasuo. I can't believe so many people play him, yet so many people hate him. How does that add up? I feel pretty bad for the actual Yasuo mains for putting up with this shit.

Shit! the Noxians are marching over with their downvotes. You got to hide me! I'm an Ionian sympathizer. You know what they do to us. Swain will torture me with Beatrice. Darius is gonna Guillotine me. Oh god oh god...

Skorch1 votes

Most of my posts are either an actual game concern, or attempting to be the voice of reason behind blind hate. With the occasional fun post. But being the voice of reason leads to many downvotes so im used to it by now. The issue is when you realize just for saying an unpopular opinion or posting general common sense you get downvoted because people are against it rather than over the validity of the claim.

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