So apparently Draven can 2-3 shot other Marksman at level 1

Trash MammaI·Jan 16, 2017·50 votes·4,369 views

Cause 4-5 hits were too many so he needed buffs

50 Comments

dominusxJan 16, 201715 votes

if you believe draven would be allowed to get 5 hits in lvl for free you are sadly mistaken lmfao. not denying he cant 4 hit ppl lvl 1 but still.

XavanicJan 16, 201714 votes

Riot believes this is balance, so obviously you shouldn't question it, just like syndras r

DeathBot666Jan 16, 201723 votes

I don't get why people complain about Syndra so much. All you have to do is dodge her balls, avoid her stun, juke the throw, stay out of ult range past 6, and sit under fountain. Do this and she will probably only kill you once or twice.

XavanicJan 17, 20171 votes

ikr, theres tons of ways they could rework her ult to make it remain strong but also fair, but they just dont do it

TheCharmingCharmJan 17, 20171 votes

They could make it like a Taliyah Q She throws the balls at you the same way but its a skillshot that she can move around while being casted.

XavanicJan 17, 20171 votes

I was thinking along the lines of making them implode on a targeted area after a bried delay while stunning targets caught in explosion breifly, with the dmg and stun duration being base off how many orbs she had out

ApexInTheCircleJan 17, 20172 votes

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Riot believes this is balance, so obviously you shouldn't question it, just like syndras r

Ugh, I got demolished by a syndra a few games ago. I was lux and I had her down to half health and waiting to hit her with a snare, I was at about 75% and she had just hit level 6. She proceeded to land a stun on me which lasts for way to fucking long and just Q r'd me for all of my health.

ffs I'm a Veigar main and I feel she's doing too much at low levels.

420 gramsJan 17, 20171 votes

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Riot believes this is balance, so obviously you shouldn't question it, just like syndras r

Or yasuos kit and damage.

BasedJarvan420Jan 17, 20179 votes

He really didn't need buffs in my opinion.

Draven even before all the buffs was gonna 2-hit any non tank once he got a few items guaranteed. Vayne is just mechanically way easier and safer with uncounterable stealth, plus nobody plays draven except a few 1 tricks so you didn't see him that often. Meanwhile anyone can hop on the bandwagon and play vayne.

AnidanJan 17, 20171 votes

[...] Vayne [...]

Isn't this a complaint thread about Draven? How does Vayne get brought up in every single thread that isn't even related to her?

VenomarJan 17, 20172 votes

That's about Bullshit. Everyone is hoping on the bandwagon for draven and he's spiking in all categories and has bee since the patch. He's fucking busted now. Your "mechanically way harder" champ has a 53% Winrate and 15% playrate and climbing.

Pentium2Jan 16, 20174 votes

Were you running the Phreak runepage?

If yes, then I would not be surprised to be 3shot by anything at level 1.

GigaPubeJan 16, 20173 votes

LMAO. its ironic that he suggests flat health specifically for level 1, yet, if he autos too close to a lot of minions, he draws aggro and gets quite a few minion hits, then you say goodbye to your entire 9 seals (sometimes the only defensive stats you have) until you recall, and only until you recall. dont get me started on 8 health in the late game lmao. ok you can get me started on that, but srsly dont get me started on the rest of his lolalytics copypasta series

ReZisT LustJan 16, 20171 votes

or till u lifesteal

GigaPubeJan 17, 20171 votes

nope because you've still lost everything the runes gave you. if it was armor, it would continually be effective through losing and gaining the health back only for it to be, but unless you lifesteal to no less than full health, AND have 100% of your mana, you will be at a loss with the flat health seals until you recover both of your resource bars

ReZisT LustJan 17, 20171 votes

mana has nothing to do with hp btw anyways that flat hp let you take an extra shot or two which in the snowball seasons is pretty important

GrReaper96Jan 16, 20174 votes

To be faira well placed MF Q can deal half your health at lvl1

Naomi CoffeeGoatJan 17, 20173 votes

I can vouch for this completely. Hit an enemy adc with the second shot after killing a minion and it actually deals that much damage.

GusdelJan 17, 20171 votes

When she can do that and run you down you have a point. plus you can avoid that damage by staying out of the way and still Cs. If you get in his range he just autos you to death.

CppLJan 17, 20171 votes

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To be faira well placed MF Q can deal half your health at lvl1

No it cant.

YFisfabulousBRUHJan 17, 20171 votes

you havent seen it then.

CppLJan 17, 20171 votes

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you havent seen it then.

yes .cause its imspossible.Her Q at lvl 1 does 40+100AD% so thats about 120 dmg plus 50% more dmg if you kill first target.So thats about 180dmg ,if the enemy has 0 armor(wich is impossible).And thats still not even close to a half hp.

The Taco KatJan 17, 20171 votes

Miss Fortune's Q does 60+(150% AD) to the second target at level one +50% AD (Love Tap), causing her to deal 60+200% AD. She'll have 62.04 AD with Natural Talent, Doran's Blade, and 9 AD marks.

This means she can deal 60+(124.08)=184.08 damage to the second target, with up to a 7% (practical) damage increase from Sorcery and Double-Edged sword, making it deal 196.97 damage (assuming Sorcery applies to Love Tap, if not, it won't impact the overall damage very heavily). If you add on the Fresh Blood Mastery, she will deal 208.52 damage.

In an unlikely circumstance, but still possible, she can deal 14% increased damage to enemy champions with Sorcery, Assassin, Double-Edged Sword, and Merciless to targets below 40% HP, as well as 3% current HP damage, 11 bonus damage from Fresh Blood, and 8 extra bonus AD from Fervor of Battle with 8 stacks, totaling out to deal 60+(140.08)=200.08(1.14)=228.09+12.32=240.41+3% target's current HP.

All in all, Miss Fortune's Q can deal 240.41 damage (+3% target's current HP) in the right conditions without any help from other champions, such as the AD increase from Janna's E shield.

The more common amount of damage she will deal is around 208.52 damage without other champion's aid, which is still roughly 40% of an ADC's HP.

*Note: I did forget about Miss Fortune's AP scale on her Q, but it would've been a decimal increase because Natural Talent would only give about .5 AP with a 75% AP ratio, granting mayyyybe an extra .6 damage with all of the masteries' bonus damage.

YFisfabulousBRUHJan 18, 20171 votes

why am i getting downvoted lmao

General Esdeath Jan 17, 20174 votes

What? I don't think that's possible unless the enemy bot lane stands there with their mouths open looking at the sky and he's able to catch 2 axes.

Mira Arya EntheJan 16, 20173 votes

Sounds like Marksmen needs a defense buff. :^)

Hexs FortuneJan 17, 20173 votes

This whole discussion is silly. Draven got scaling buffs not lvl 1 buffs

Trash MammaIJan 17, 20174 votes

He got AD scalings on his Q the ability that was already doing a fuck ton of damage anyway. Now it's just murdering any adc early on. You can't do anything in bot lane but play passive vs him now because NOBODY is going to beat him in a fight. I once engaged on him as leona and got him to a little less than half on my own. My Vayne who dodged thresh hook (and thresh missed flash) still got beat because she died in 3 autos draven (and like 2 from thresh) it was retarded. After that we had to sit at tower because he just started nuking us per auto. His damage was already retarded now it's just "why?" level

MorgManBasherJan 17, 20174 votes

So you are saying a crappy early game ADC like vayne can't 1 vs 1 a Draven in lane? Seems like it's working as intended. Guess you forgot what a lane bully is since we had pussey farming ADC's for a while now.

VenomarJan 17, 20172 votes

No one can duel him in lane nerd. Lane bully is one thing, 200 damage Qs with just a BF sword isn't bully, it's busted.

MorgManBasherJan 17, 20172 votes

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No one can duel him in lane nerd. Lane bully is one thing, 200 damage Qs with just a BF sword isn't bully, it's busted.

lol "nerd" because I'm not bronze 5 like you? Amusing. Draven no matter how strong in lane will suffer the same problems he always had.

Ezreal and Cait both do absolutely find against him and if played right make his passive useless because they can both be passive and use their range to make Draven feel miserable.

MorgManBasherJan 17, 20173 votes

He needed buffs, you people are delusional. Was he viable in lower ELO's? Yeah sure, you can snowball like a mad man against bads, but the higher up you go the more garbage he was to the point where he was a troll pick.

SlaktarTaskenJan 17, 20173 votes

I said it once I'll say it again, it's Phreak's revenge for T1 wrecking him in lane. Huehuehue. Now Draven will be permabanned and T1 will be sulking.

You have no mana phreak, YOU HAVE NO MANA!

Omg I gotta go watch that again. (^;

YoungFarmerJan 17, 20172 votes

I'm not even shitting you I watched a full build draven with static shiv and 2 infernal drakes litterally 1 Q auto the enemy vayne for like 1900 crit plus 200 statik damage or something like that.

SinlaireJan 17, 20173 votes

yeah. but he ALWAYS used to do that before. that isn't anything new. it's draven.

Ariel the CruelJan 17, 20171 votes

Draven's Q doesn't Crit. So the crit value would be the same for anyone else. Same with Shiv. Drake is also a universal buff, though he admittedly gets really good mileage out of any bonus AD. Q's bonus damage is nothing new.

MagikarpIsBossJan 21, 20171 votes

An auto that uses his q's bonus damage CAN crit, but the crit only applies on the auto damage, not the q's damage.

Ariel the CruelJan 22, 20171 votes

That's. . . What I said... Q doesn't crit. Therefore AA+crit damage would be the same as from a non-Draven.

PeachZ 4Dessert Jan 17, 20171 votes

ROFL

Jinzo TorranceJan 16, 20171 votes

Marksman can auto me BabyRage

quatrenceJan 17, 20171 votes

As someone who has played botlane for my past 3 games and fought against a Draven each time, I can confirm.

Kr1sysJan 17, 20171 votes

I remember launch Draven with his bleed. At that time Sona/Ezreal was meta. He could two shot either of them at level 1.

GrReaper96Jan 17, 20172 votes

Ooo yeah that bleed passive stacking was so good. But then again back then Sona didnt have a shield with her W

Pale PirateJan 17, 20171 votes

"2-shot at level 1"

people really love exaggerations don't they.

FoxstepJan 17, 20171 votes

Got smashed by a draven? At least draven has to get in range to do something, Jhin deals the same damage and can be played even safer.

UnoGetGoldELOJan 17, 20171 votes

so can every other adc when they get a BF first while the other has a dorans or pickaxe , moot point is moot.

a draven can only kill the other adc nowadays in 2-3 hits if he has an INFEdge procs a crit Q and another Q WE. if you let draven harass you freely early and then complain about being 2-3shot later into the game then you failed your laning phase and thats about it. i could list 10 other champions if i cared deeply right now that do the same thing mid-lategame AND even in laningphase.

Celeste BenalJan 17, 20174 votes

If they have BF Sword, they are not level 1.

yung niga singedJan 17, 20171 votes

He can't 3 shot people level 1. And even if he has full damage runes, his attack speed will be slower than a sprinting crippled snail.

NoblewindJan 17, 20171 votes

Great context... We're exaggerating the damage amounts, and talking like 7 full seconds of standing still to die in the time between those hits and axe catches.

In what situation are you tanking 3 autos at level 1? This post is meaningless