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I was winning a fair 2v2 match but all of sudden a wild 
without items get a shitty 
out of her mid lane minion and use it on top side to win the trade and kill me.
Just remove her stupid W , it the most broken thing about her kit and not cause the damage but cause the shitty RNG of strong active item or summoner spell.
shockprimex3 votesNah bro tf u doing you gotta play around the redemption. You also gotta play aorund like 30 more items. Just Play Xerath so that you don't have to be in the same screen as her.
ValiantKiller1 votesNah bro tf u doing you gotta play around the redemption. You also gotta play aorund like 30 more items. Just Play Xerath so that you don't have to be in the same screen as her.
IYou can't play around it early in game where you have no boots and got cc by both nasus and sej ,there no play around it when it cast for no reason out of other lane when it not even bought early.
Kurt Hyzan2 votesWould Zoe's kit function without her spell thief dropping from minions ? Yes
Does Zoe need to randomly drop items and sums she doesn't own in the first place from freaking minions to be viable ? No
Does Zoe need movement speed buff and extra-damage after using a summoner spell or an active from her W to be viable ? No
Would Zoe still be viable if her main source of damage were from her E and Q ? Yes
ValiantKiller1 votes[{quoted}](name=Kurt Hyzan,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hzxpBAq6,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-20T12:43:23.590+0000)
Would Zoe's kit function without her spell thief dropping from minions ? Yes
Does Zoe need to randomly drop items and sums she doesn't own in the first place from freaking minions to be viable ? No
Does Zoe need movement speed buff and extra-damage after using a summoner spell or an active from her W to be viable ? No
Would Zoe still be viable if her main source of damage were from her E and Q ? Yes
^ But ofcourse we need to feed the people with toxic RNG skill to screw you over, when you planning everything perfectly and manage the CDR of you and your enemy woah a random shit number of dropping item or summoner spell to screw you over.
Pika Fox2 votes"I was winning a fair 2v2, then karthus, ezreal, lux, ashe etc..... Pressed R".
No such thing as a "fair 2v2".
ValiantKiller1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hzxpBAq6,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-08-20T16:23:09.166+0000)
"I was winning a fair 2v2, then karthus, ezreal, lux, ashe etc..... Pressed R".
No such thing as a "fair 2v2".
That is their skill with damn CDR that you can count and play around not RNG. Big difference between CDR that you can play around and know when to go in and out , and RNG element.
Pika Fox2 votesAnd W is zoe's ability that you can play around. Hell, anyone can even buy a redemption, and redemptions cast takes like 5-6 seconds. Face it, you got outplayed.
ValiantKiller1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hzxpBAq6,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-08-20T16:56:08.192+0000)
And W is zoe's ability that you can play around. Hell, anyone can even buy a redemption, and redemptions cast takes like 5-6 seconds. Face it, you got outplayed.
Again if they bought it there damn CDR you can track but not RNG item that drop out of no where, my god you don't get the point.
Pika Fox1 votesI get the point, the point is that youre wrong. Theres no real excuse for complaining about a fight not being a "fair 2v2". Zoe got an active literally anyone could buy, and you stood in the AoE instead of backing off. No matter how you want to look at it, you just got outplayed, and numerous other champions would have been able to do the same thing.
VvVVvV2 votesYou are missing the point of the post and also wrong in what you are posting.
First, look at the items the Nasus, Zoe and Sej have........this happened so early int he game no one has anything built so no...at the time this happened no one could of had a redemption built at this time in the game.
2nd, the cast time for redemption is 2.5 seconds.......that is twice as fast as the 5-6 seconds you say it is.
3rd......and this one is just my opinion........there is nothing about being outplayed when it comes to someone being able to get a fully built ranged item that early in the game that can heal allies and damage enemies at the same time.....that is pureluck....pure RNG like the OP posted. Nothing about that is a outplay. I dont have a opinion on Zoe in no way...because I dont play her at all or play against her that much...but anyone who thinks they outplayed someone just because they got lucky enough to have a minion drop a redemption like 6 minutes into the game is delusional.
Pika Fox1 votesIts not RNG.
zoe needs to last hit the minion for the drop.
zoe needs to get said drop.
Both 1 and 2 can be stopped and punished heavily by the enemy laner.
zoe needs to recognize the item and the fight top, and know she can get an assist there and she is needed.
she needs to rotate partially to use said item
you need to stand in an AoE you can readily leave and dodge, or the enemy needs to recognize whats going on and lock you down.
This is more skill than it is RNG.
ValiantKiller1 votesYou are missing the point of the post and also wrong in what you are posting.
First, look at the items the Nasus, Zoe and Sej have........this happened so early int he game no one has anything built so no...at the time this happened no one could of had a redemption built at this time in the game.
2nd, the cast time for redemption is 2.5 seconds.......that is twice as fast as the 5-6 seconds you say it is.
3rd......and this one is just my opinion........there is nothing about being outplayed when it comes to someone being able to get a fully built ranged item that early in the game that can heal allies and damage enemies at the same time.....that is pureluck....pure RNG like the OP posted. Nothing about that is a outplay. I dont have a opinion on Zoe in no way...because I dont play her at all or play against her that much...but anyone who thinks they outplayed someone just because they got lucky enough to have a minion drop a redemption like 6 minutes into the game is delusional.
I don't know why you even explain to him, he keep saying the word "outplayed " Sure i was outplayed by a item so early in game throwing over my head when i was in battle against two champions with slow and stuns able to lock me down into fight. He doesn't get the point of the post and i don't care, let people defending such toxic kit more and more till riot give us more champions with such toxic rng elements. Then after that with months they cry that game is ruined.
Ambient Snow2 votesHonestly this just seems more like a bitch fest. you got beat cause of a zoe player that used redemption when you were probably talking trash to your top lane saying you were jesus. then you got killed.
I mean seriously if you were low enough for a redemption to kill you then that's your fault to begin with that low of hp to start with .
chipndip12 votesLike Pika said: A ton of champions do a ton of different things that are global or semi-global. If Zoe didn't have this ability to grab up items and spells, someone down the line probably would, anyway. She's been nerfed enough. Just walk out of the circle.
Whisperwind231 votesHonestly think the nerfs put her in a good spot, her w hardly does any dmg now and her combo does not hit nearly as hard as before the the passive nerf as well as the nerf to her AA from it as well. If you are complaining about her at this point its a skill issue and i recommend improving your play.
ValiantKiller1 votesHonestly think the nerfs put her in a good spot, her w hardly does any dmg now and her combo does not hit nearly as hard as before the the passive nerf as well as the nerf to her AA from it as well. If you are complaining about her at this point its a skill issue and i recommend improving your play.
Again if you read my post, i not talking about her w damage i talking about the element of RNG of dropping good stuff out of no where just to screw your gameplay in matter of seconds.
She was in mid lane and we was 2v2 top side, she had no items but cause she got a free out of her mid minions she used it and swing it against us.
That why people hate her, not the damage but the rng.
Jaspers1 votesHonestly, while true, why does Redemption even do damage anyway? It's there for healing, not sniping kills.
Rathar Dashing1 votesTo spook people away from your allies while you try to heal them.
ValiantKiller2 votes[{quoted}](name=Rathar Dashing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hzxpBAq6,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-08-20T16:18:38.334+0000)
To spook people away from your allies while you try to heal them.
^ And sometime it even good to push some damage since it true damage.
Rathar Dashing1 votes%max HP true damage, at that.
lolipopevelynn1 votesYou would have died to any global or semi global ult, hell any mid coulda just roamed up and killed you, but since its zoe you choose to bitch like a 🐑
