Can you add some incentives to make her laning phase... I don’t know? Not pressing Q on every wave shoving you in and placing traps under your turrets to zone you off.
Also the best part is she AAs you but she outranges turret so she doesn’t even draw aggro.
InTheory2 votesI think you missunderstand "outranging a turret".
BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votes775 - 650 = 125
125 is pretty much irrelevant.
Cashfinger2 votesAfter this tristana and xayah crap craze the last few months, playing against caitlyn is a fresh breath of air. Much fairer champ imo.
HalcyonDweller2 votesAfter this tristana and xayah crap craze the last few months, playing against caitlyn is a fresh breath of air. Much fairer champ imo.
I'm sorry, I didn't queue up for a match just to have to play hop-scotch in a minefield for the entire fucking laning phase. IMO that doesn't count as playing league of legends, it's a different game entirely.
Edit: Same deal with Heimerdinger and Malzahar. "Welp, I'm sure glad I queued up for a match today, now I get to spend the first 20 minutes of the game JUST wave-clearing and never even interacting with my opponent." No fucking thank you!
I signed up for league to play league, not to play Waveclear-Simulator-2018, or HopScotch-2018.
Cashfinger1 voteswell thats kinda caitlyn's thing lol. Just saying dude, teamfighting against xayah and tristana feels incredibly unfair, even more cancer than caitlyn.
HalcyonDweller2 voteswell thats kinda caitlyn's thing lol. Just saying dude, teamfighting against xayah and tristana feels incredibly unfair, even more cancer than caitlyn.
At least in the teamfight phase you have a team surrounding you that can cooperate and do things together. In laning phase you're just stuck there, without help, taking free damage under your own goddamn turret.
I get frustrated by those champions as well, but two wrongs don't make a right. Just because they are a problem doesn't justify Caitlyn being a problem as well. I'd rather Riot just fix them all, but even if they don't, they should at least fix some of them.
Cashfinger1 votesI feel like shes far less of a problem and a nice answer to laning against those fucking crapfaces. Excuse my french. I mean what adc do we enjoy playing against in late game? lol. The answer is either lucian or the vayne who mains top lane but got autofilled.
But I guess ur mostly talking about lane phase, yeah shes a fucking cancer in lane lol. Especially with a zyra. Thats why I almost always camp the shit out of caitlyn lanes. Unless she has something like lulu though I would just say fuck that and go farm enemy krugs until our bot tower goes down then take a sip from my flask and get on with the game.
HalcyonDweller1 votesI feel like shes far less of a problem and a nice answer to laning against those fucking crapfaces. Excuse my french. I mean what adc do we enjoy playing against in late game? lol. The answer is either lucian or the vayne who mains top lane but got autofilled.
But I guess ur mostly talking about lane phase, yeah shes a fucking cancer in lane lol. Especially with a zyra. Thats why I almost always camp the shit out of caitlyn lanes. Unless she has something like lulu though I would just say fuck that and go farm enemy krugs until our bot tower goes down then take a sip from my flask and get on with the game.
I actually enjoy playing vs most ADCs in lane. It's just Caitlyn that feels like shit to play against. I'll agree that later in the game is another question entirely.
Yeah, if I'm jungler or a roaming mid-laner I tend to focus lanes that pick cancer champs as well. Yasuo, Caitlyn, Malzahar, etc. You bet your ass I'll camp your lane if you're playing one of those.
Ahristocats2 votesit's called having 450 base hp
BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votesShe has an E to easy kiting.
Ahristocats2 votesher E costs 1/3 of her mana bar in early game and has 18 sec cd
draven on the other hand has no downtime in his agression as long as he knows how to catchs his axes
cait is super vulnerable to all ins, you just don't see it because only experienced players know it and all in her if you pick thresh/blitz/ali/leo she's done for unless you let her siege you under tower
BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votesAnd her E also has a slow good luck getting on to her again if you don't have a secondary gap closer and walking through her minefield.
Even Leo you have to do nothing pre 6 before you can stick to her.
Ahristocats2 votesgap closer? you're an adc, why the fuck do you need a gapcloser
pick draven literally press W again once she comes back to poke her with Q and then fight her by reseting W again
i gave you an advice, that's how you play against cait making her using E in lane is literally a win because she will have 1/3 of her mana gone which is a lot of Q that are gone which means less waveclearing and poke
BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votesYou wrote that statement without any context of perspective.
Also she can do it to anyone...
I Eat Ąss1 votesHe's Diamond 1 he knows what he is talking about
BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votesAhristocats1 votesi literally told you that her E costs 1/3 of her mana bar you think she can keep doing it against you? also you can very easily dodge her E with draven bonus movement speed
BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votesShe doesn't, she already out-range him and can poke from afar. Draven tries to dodge her E she can place traps on his proceeding axes rendering him useless.
Stars Shaper2 votesApparently the playerbase LOVES seeing a rifle-chick right clicking every1 for thousands of damage and Pentakills but despises characters who have to land skillshots to achieve the same results (and usually don't even get them).
I Eat Ąss1 votesThats the entire point of her kit though
BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votesZoe kit was to one shot people with Q does it make it balanced?
Caitlyn is suppose to be a long range hyper carry, no hyper carry is suppose to be as lane dominant as she is. Twitch for example can’t shove a wave as often as she does.
I Eat Ąss2 votesOn no planet is Caitlyn a hyper carry. She is a lane bully that is a counter to actual hyper carries who need to scale.
Vayne, Twitch, Xayah, etc
Nerf her and those 3 become the only picked ADC's
BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votesAny ADC will scale the best with a crit build because crit builds scale the hardest and the best, then you give a champion like Caitlyn zero interactions in lane what do you expect will happen?
I Eat Ąss1 votesShe is sitting at a 49 percent win rate so idk what the issue is
BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votesBecause win rate is a reflection of a champions strength?
Also her play rate is rising with her win rate that’s suppose to be the opposite spectrum.
I Eat Ąss1 votesWin rate is a good indication of how well a champion is performing,
Cait does her job well. She bullies lane and then gets outscaled by every other ADC
BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votesWin rate with a large play rate isn’t so, typically a larger play rate the numbers will go down because those who are playing her may not be mains or have basic grasp of her.
She bullies people in lane and gets outscaled? How so? A head shot with three items can ramp up to 800 damage in one AA, she also gets RFC for extra range and stepping on a single well placed trap can chunk you for half your health or a head shot E combo is enough to kill you.
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BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votesSounds like a fair point to me ecks dee
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Zoe kit was to one shot people with Q does it make it balanced?
Caitlyn is suppose to be a long range hyper carry, no hyper carry is suppose to be as lane dominant as she is. Twitch for example can’t shove a wave as often as she does.
-> Caitlyn -> “hyper carry”
What?
BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votesYes crit builds are hyper carry builds, shocking right?
I Eat Ąss1 votesCrit Xerath new hyper carry
JustMonika131 votes[{quoted}](name=Thę Weeknd XO,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hvqW0Oj5,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2018-03-12T18:59:45.351+0000)
Yes crit builds are hyper carry builds, shocking right?
Caitlyn isn’t a hyper carry though? Even if she builds crit damage?
Twitch is a hyper carry because of the attack speed steroid on his Q and his AoE damage on ult. Come late game, he’s your number one priority.
Tristana is a hyper carry because of the attack speed steroid on her Q and mixed damage, as well as nigh unmatched slipperiness in teamfights. Come late game, she becomes your number one target.
Xayah is a hyper carry because of the attack speed steroid on her W as well as her AoE damage feather darts sending them out and pulling them back in. Come late game, she’s your main target.
Vayne; AD and Movement Speed steroid on her passive and ult. Percent Max Health true damage on her W passive, AD on her Q. Ultra slippery and probably the best late game duelist in the game bar maybe Jax. Killing her is of the upmost importance.
Kog’Maw. Attack speed. Resistance shred. Mixed damage, percent health magic damage. You leave him alone he’s going to mow you down.
In contrast, Caitlyn doesn’t have percent health damage. She has no AS steroids even compared to non-hyper carry ADCs like Draven. No real AoE threat. Her job is to make the lane hell for the enemy AD with her superior range and poke, and late game, it’s sieging and defending. She’s not a real damage threat compared to the rest of the roster outside of lane. I’ll definitely ignore her if there’s a more pressing issue like a Riven on my squishies or a Syndra looming over my ADC.
BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votesWhy does it matter what’s classified as a hyper carry anymore? The amount of absurd damage you get from a three item power spike (IE, RFC, Shiv) anyone who can build crit can easily become a scaling hyper carry with ease.
Also how is she not a real damage threat? A late game head shot can ramp up to 1k damage on tanks.
As a matter of fact her win rate simply goes up as the game time goes, http://na.op.gg/champion/caitlyn/statistics/adc .