Leblanc burst is actually stupid part 2

ALL MłGHT·May 19, 2018·2 votes·1,322 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpdrTUxrAbE

I think in my first original post I didn't clarify how strong she actually is in the early game and how just "shoving her in" like in the old days was the only possible way with dealing with her.

The clear main issue is how much damage comes from distortion. They increased the AP ratio from 20% to 60% and increased the base damage to 85 / 125 / 165 / 205 / 245 from 40 / 55 / 70 / 85 / 100 WHILE HAVING the mana cost reduced.

15 Comments

Zeppelins circusMay 19, 20183 votes

stop picking Ryze into Leblanc or ANY assassin. You are just asking for trouble for your entire team.

ALL MłGHTMay 19, 20182 votes

I got first blood 2-3 minutes later. I highly doubt it is my champion that is the problem.

Zeppelins circusMay 19, 20185 votes

It is a problem if you play 241 games and get negative winrate with KDA and can't tell the matchup. The leblanc had 17 kills on you.

ALL MłGHTMay 19, 20182 votes

She only killed me 2 times that game, get out of here.

Zeppelins circusMay 19, 20184 votes

I got your match data. 4 times to be exact out of 17. But again, your botlane did not ward for jack shit. Only half of theirs. Of course leblanc will get fed.

ALL MłGHTMay 19, 20182 votes

I asked Tristana to get a GA and blue ward but she didn't listen. I asked Zyra to get a sweeper but she also didn't listen.

If you look at my most recent match history (my last 5 games) 4 out of 5 of those games I have the most damage and decent kill participation. Communication is really important but when I try to communicate and they don't listen there is very little I can do.

My last game I ganked botlane once, got them 2 kills and go them ahead but they didn't get their tower. My jungler repeatedly ganked toplane who was losing after the first gank to try to get him back ahead only to give enemy toplaner a double kill. I also roam top while pinging Yasuo, because I was pretty farmed up, and do 80% of Vlad's health but Yasuo just sits back and farms. They just don't listen. No Maw from Yasuo, no sweeper from Braum, no blue ward from Jinx.

DW DianaMay 20, 20182 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpdrTUxrAbE

I think in my first original post I didn't clarify how strong she actually is in the early game and how just "shoving her in" like in the old days was the only possible way with dealing with her.

The clear main issue is how much damage comes from distortion. They increased the AP ratio from 20% to 60% and increased the base damage to 85 / 125 / 165 / 205 / 245 from 40 / 55 / 70 / 85 / 100 WHILE HAVING the mana cost reduced.

Ok so what I saw there was she q w aa electrocute procced you. That's nothing to do with the sigil, and everything to do with an assassin hitting you with a combo. If a Diana AA you three times and procced electrocute it'd do the same. Hell LB comes in on a diana level 2 and she'll be lucky to do 1/4 of diana's hp, while she'll be on 1/4 hp.

It's all burst dude. It's all LB has. Complaining about it won't help. Just learn to play against her or use your ban to deal with her. Either way she doesn't need to change, you do.

FabWarlockMay 22, 20181 votes

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Ok so what I saw there was she q w aa electrocute procced you. That's nothing to do with the sigil, and everything to do with an assassin hitting you with a combo. If a Diana AA you three times and procced electrocute it'd do the same. Hell LB comes in on a diana level 2 and she'll be lucky to do 1/4 of diana's hp, while she'll be on 1/4 hp.

It's all burst dude. It's all LB has. Complaining about it won't help. Just learn to play against her or use your ban to deal with her. Either way she doesn't need to change, you do.

Problem is most of LeBlanc's damage is packed into her W just like how Zoe had it packed into one of her abilities before they reworked it. I don't mind if LeBlanc keeps the same damage she has, but I dislike that it's all packed into a single ability. I think she should actually have to put work into doing her combo, but it's really easy to get her combo or partial combo off to get someone low.

DW DianaMay 22, 20181 votes

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Problem is most of LeBlanc's damage is packed into her W just like how Zoe had it packed into one of her abilities before they reworked it. I don't mind if LeBlanc keeps the same damage she has, but I dislike that it's all packed into a single ability. I think she should actually have to put work into doing her combo, but it's really easy to get her combo or partial combo off to get someone low.

Her damage is on her q actually, though her e also does a lot. W is just an engage/disengage ability with an aoe damage to proc q. LB is combo'ing you, it may be fast but it's a combination of abilities being used that allows her to do it. Yes it's not massively hard for her to do, but there are about 8 different combos to learn, each for a different situation. You might not see the subtle difference in them, but they are there, so unlike a lot of combo champions who use the same combo over and over again, lb players need to use the right one at the right time, and it's there that lies the skill.

Also Zoe was nerfed because the combo if e + q was a 100-0 whether she was behind or not. LB on the other hand is completely feast of famine.

FabWarlockMay 23, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Loki1987,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hrGFK40k,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-05-22T15:50:57.745+0000)

Her damage is on her q actually, though her e also does a lot. W is just an engage/disengage ability with an aoe damage to proc q. LB is combo'ing you, it may be fast but it's a combination of abilities being used that allows her to do it. Yes it's not massively hard for her to do, but there are about 8 different combos to learn, each for a different situation. You might not see the subtle difference in them, but they are there, so unlike a lot of combo champions who use the same combo over and over again, lb players need to use the right one at the right time, and it's there that lies the skill.

Also Zoe was nerfed because the combo if e + q was a 100-0 whether she was behind or not. LB on the other hand is completely feast of famine.

This is untrue. W has the majority of the damage and got the massive buff in patch 8.8. Please see the below info.

W - Distortion BASE DAMAGE 40/55/70/85/100 ⇒ 85/125/165/205/245 DAMAGE RATIO 0.2 ability power ⇒ 0.6 ability power COOLDOWN 18/16/14/12/10 seconds ⇒ 14/13/12/11/10 seconds SPEED 1600 ⇒ 1450 REACTIVATION DELAY 0.85 seconds from initial cast ⇒ 0.2 seconds from finishing dash

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-88-notes

Overall, I'm more concerned with the massive increase in base damage, and how much they increased the AP ratio. It's truly disguisting.

DW DianaMay 23, 20181 votes

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This is untrue. W has the majority of the damage and got the massive buff in patch 8.8. Please see the below info.

W - Distortion BASE DAMAGE 40/55/70/85/100 ⇒ 85/125/165/205/245 DAMAGE RATIO 0.2 ability power ⇒ 0.6 ability power COOLDOWN 18/16/14/12/10 seconds ⇒ 14/13/12/11/10 seconds SPEED 1600 ⇒ 1450 REACTIVATION DELAY 0.85 seconds from initial cast ⇒ 0.2 seconds from finishing dash

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-88-notes

Overall, I'm more concerned with the massive increase in base damage, and how much they increased the AP ratio. It's truly disguisting.

You're missing a LOT there dude. That was the REVERT. Her Q, E and ult also changed at that point, meaning her ONLY waveclear ability was her W. Read the rest of the revert, try even playing the champ, then maybe you'll understand her W is NOT where her burst comes from, in fact as Auto Riven says it's actually pretty hard to get hit by it, even when you're playing a melee champion (I normally play Diana into LB and rarely get hit by it).

LB has burst, but not as much as a LOT of assassins. She has a LOT escape, but is squishier then you AD and AP counterparts to make up for this. You just need to learn how to play against her. Not a criticism, just a suggestion. Try playing her a little so you understand how to outplay her. It's what I did when I struggled with Ahri and Malz going into her.

FabWarlockMay 23, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Loki1987,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hrGFK40k,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-23T13:08:29.847+0000)

You're missing a LOT there dude. That was the REVERT. Her Q, E and ult also changed at that point, meaning her ONLY waveclear ability was her W. Read the rest of the revert, try even playing the champ, then maybe you'll understand her W is NOT where her burst comes from, in fact as Auto Riven says it's actually pretty hard to get hit by it, even when you're playing a melee champion (I normally play Diana into LB and rarely get hit by it).

LB has burst, but not as much as a LOT of assassins. She has a LOT escape, but is squishier then you AD and AP counterparts to make up for this. You just need to learn how to play against her. Not a criticism, just a suggestion. Try playing her a little so you understand how to outplay her. It's what I did when I struggled with Ahri and Malz going into her.

From what I'm looking at on patch notes, it's telling me her W base damage is 85/125/165/205/245 and her AP ratio is 0.6 ability power. If I'm wrong, what are the current actual numbers? My understanding is yeah, her rework got reverted, but these are the new numbers of the current LB.

Automated RivenMay 23, 20182 votes

If you get hit by distortion in lane, you mispositioned.

ankoanko19May 19, 20181 votes

Early game champion bursts when comboing correctly in the early game, shocker! You're ryze, youll scale and be too tanky for her to deal with while dealing 1k aoe magic dmg.