New players, please don't follow smurfs

Radiant Wukong·Jan 1, 2017·2 votes·507 views

Just had a diamond player in my normals match with a guy who is still learning champs.

This smurf (on my team) was mid and finished the game 23/2/13!

The still learning guy purchased J4 after the match, spectated his next game, guy went 0/14 and his team FF'd at 20 minutes.

What new players need to understand is that when a smurf is in your match, what he builds is irrelevant to how he will perform. I've been playing this game since S2 I can guarantee you that I'd get absolutely destroyed if I tried to play AP J4 because I'm not even good enough to pull that shenanigans.

Hope that guy still had a refund left.

5 Comments

VoraciousXJan 1, 20171 votes

AP J4 can actually be pretty good though, lol. Just a different playstyle, you poke and poke and your E hurts like heck. Lich bane helps your autos.

CochoJan 1, 20173 votes

it has an 80% ap ratio and thats it.

It's terrible. You poke and poke, and after 2 pokes, 20 seconds have passed lmao.

VoraciousXJan 2, 20171 votes

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it has an 80% ap ratio and thats it.

It's terrible. You poke and poke, and after 2 pokes, 20 seconds have passed lmao.

20 seconds if you have no CDR. 2 pokes would be about 12 seconds with the right items and masteries(This is assuming you got 45% CDR). It's damage is basically higher than a Brand W with a slightly higher CD(assuming you have only 10% from Lich Bane and 5% from intelligence). Also it isn't too punishing considering your W is a shield that has no scaling on it whatsoever, AD or AP. You can also safely poke and all in once they're low. Your ult still has 450 base damage on it as well(to all enemies that land in it).

CochoJan 2, 20171 votes

This dude has the wrong items then lol

slightly higher than brand W. Lets not look at the other 4 damaging abilities he has in his kit lol

AP jarven is terrible. I'm not comparing it to any other dumb build. I'm comparing it to a normal build on any champ

VoraciousXJan 4, 20171 votes

Brand's W is the only ability that is even worth it damage wise, aside from his ult. The others are literally for one thing and one thing only, to stack his passive. Jarvan's E is AOE as well and considering it's damage, and Jarvan's ult has 450 base damage. The Rylai's nerf kinda hit AP Jarvan indirectly(since it's not really a common thing to do), but Rylais was never necessary and another AP item can take it's place( item 3146 would be a good contender). Jarvan's passive also has literally no ties to AP or AD, though it's physical damage so if they build MR you can still deal some decent damage with an auto every so often. I'm not gonna say AP Jarvan is the best thing that ever was, or even that it's better than AD Jarvan(although in some situations it can be considering you don't have to initiate to deal damage meaning you might not die as often), but it's not terrible. Also might I add, you claimed Jarvan had 4 other damaging abilities besides his E. What are those? Cuz I only see 2 other than his passive(which has no ties to his AD), being his ult and Q.

(Though just to compare, I gave Jarvan a RoA+Ludens and Youmuu's and Ravenous Hydra to compare damage from a full combo, and the AP were just a little less in damage dealt: 1,220 with RoA+Ludens, 1,304 with Youmuu's/Hydra. If I added more AP Luden's Active in the combo would be stronger, but I don't feel like comparing full builds because it's too much math)