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vi needs a buff or some tool to do something from far range

XJ99999999999999··7 votes·2,077 views

champions are becoming harder and harder to kill/stick on and Vi is just a low elo stomper pick.

do what riot did with xin and give her some way to do something from a far and/or buff something in her kit.

only way to do anything with Vi is by Q or ring in aka you have to be right next to them. Q is also very easy to dodge due to small hit box and extremely telegraphed animation + self slow. Miss it and you just die as she has no way to get out of there.

Vi was a monster back in the day but as time went on her kit has just been outclassed by mobile/damage/utility creep. Why pick Vi when you can just pick Sejuani for a front like and poke, a ranged stun that AoE slows, and an easy to land Q that has a huge hit box and isn't easily telegraphed as She can just walk up and auto you/w you before commiting her Q.

Big issue with Vi is all her damage is damage is in her Q but her Q is also her mobility that isn't even that good at that (self slow). There are no keystones that make me go "wow, that's good on Vi". Best one Imo is press the attack is it deals pretty close to the same damage as electrocute, easy to proc before ulting if you hit Q, and makes that target weaker. Still isn't a big "WOW" as they usually die to like 1-2 more autos unless it's some tanky person/bruiser person. Aftershock was also pretty decent but I stopped using it on her as I just asked myself "why am I playing aftershock Vi instead of Aftershock on literally any other jungle tank?".

Itemization is also pretty shit on Vi. Trinity isn't even that good on Vi but because of how crap LoL's itemization is, it's good on her because she wants to be burst, wants movement speed, wants CDR, wants AD, but mostly CDR. What items also do some of that? Shojin and black cleaver. Shojin is ass and is literally made as an abusive item for riven/jax/renekton. Black cleaver used to be really good but they kept nerfing the AD for more HP and lowered the % shred because of ADC's abusing it too much (Thanks lucian!). It also isn't as good slightly due to how it stacks with Vi's W armor shred.

There's a lot of things I would do to Vi is I could rework-minirework her as she really needed it imo. I'd prob do a power up system with Vi, similar to Syndra, where she gets mechanical enhancements in her fists as you reach rank 5 in them along with other things.

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Fëalnort5 votes

I am sorry man but vi doesn't require a buff.

You compare a bruiser (AD) who have the capacity to literally obliterate an ADC or Midlaner with a Full tank champion (sejuani) who has little to no burst dmg.

Vi is hovering at around 52% winrate in plat+, almost 53%. She is in the top 3 winrate champion as jungler for the past 5 patchs ( though her pick rate isn't as great ).

Stats seems also to indicate she take a while to get adjusted to. Global winrate for player who have less than 50 game is pretty low but skyrocket the more games are put into her.

Tldr: Just because you have a 28% winrate with a champ doesn't mean she is too weak, just that you got unlucky/need to train with her more ^^. You may be diam 1 but it doesn't mean you are pro with a champ directly.

XJ999999999999993 votes

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I am sorry man but vi doesn't require a buff.

You compare a bruiser (AD) who have the capacity to literally obliterate an ADC or Midlaner with a Full tank champion (sejuani) who has little to no burst dmg.

Vi is hovering at around 52% winrate in plat+, almost 53%. She is in the top 3 winrate champion as jungler for the past 5 patchs ( though her pick rate isn't as great ).

Stats seems also to indicate she take a while to get adjusted to. Global winrate for player who have less than 50 game is pretty low but skyrocket the more games are put into her.

Tldr: Just because you have a 28% winrate with a champ doesn't mean she is too weak, just that you got unlucky/need to train with her more ^^. You may be diam 1 but it doesn't mean you are pro with a champ directly.

I can play any other champion that does Vi's job better and completely oblierate an ADC's hp. why play vi when you can play rengar/khazix, both with the ability to poke/slow from a distance and have an instant leap?

You seem not to understand the core issues with Vi and have not seen these issues in practice. Bronze-diamond people think Vi is good but it's only due to the players not the champion. Why is Vi never picked in pro play? Cuz she sucks. What happens when she is pickeD? feeds.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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I can play any other champion that does Vi's job better and completely oblierate an ADC's hp. why play vi when you can play rengar/khazix, both with the ability to poke/slow from a distance and have an instant leap?

You seem not to understand the core issues with Vi and have not seen these issues in practice. Bronze-diamond people think Vi is good but it's only due to the players not the champion. Why is Vi never picked in pro play? Cuz she sucks. What happens when she is pickeD? feeds.

You are the one who doesn't seem to understand anything about Vi. She is doing well, across all elos. She isn't struggling like you say she is. She is performing pretty decently. Pro play means nothing, please give us the stat that says that vi sucks. YOU CAN'T!

C H l A K l3 votes

telling the person that made vi one on the most viable picks for like 2-3 seasons , creating the best meta in the game back in the day that he doesnt understand anything , you sir are a funny person . her kit is so outdated that probably 10 other junglers/champs can do evrythign better than vi . but yeah down there in your elo shes probably a beast

Fëalnort3 votes

Haaaa you are totally right, but i still disagree a bit :

Let's say We buff Vi. She become as strong as rengar and khazix. alright.

Suddenly, she is STRONGER than them , she has arguably as much/ more mobilty, a bit more cc, a better/easier engage tool with a point and clic ult . She also has the posibility to go bruiser and still be usefull if she fall behind when kha and rengar can't.

So basically, if you buff her until she compete with rengar and kha, wouldn't she be better with a more versatile kit ? ( also she would rekt both of them in 1 vs 1 since she can hard cc and they can't no ?)

why pick rengar or kha vs her then ?

All of what i say might not be true ( i am lowly low plat after all) but what do you think about it ?

I understand that when you want to play is overshadowed by others it is VERY annoying ( i used to be rumble main, may my soul rest in peace ) .

But while being F tiers in team game, she is still seems very good in soloQ (easier to play vs noobq i guess ? )... Or maybe it is just that only one tricks still play her and it boost her stats like aurelion sol.

TLDR : Riot pushed her into an assasin role and now they are stuck with yet another champ they fear to buff -- .

ADC Yuumi3 votes

Yes but actually no.

Try Vi with more of a bruiser build, or at top lane. item 3078 or item 3748.

Otherwise, try setting your runes for her to lower the CD of her ult more.

XJ999999999999993 votes

[{quoted}](name=AFK Yuumi Main,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hdmBMwIE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-04T12:34:59.424+0000)

Yes but actually no.

Try Vi with more of a bruiser build, or at top lane. item 3078 or item 3748.

Otherwise, try setting your runes for her to lower the CD of her ult more.

the fact you are suggesting top lane vi speaks for itself

and no, the ult's cd is not the issue. seems you completely dodged what I said. The only people who would understand are people who see/play high elo games.

C H l A K l3 votes

her ult cd is super low since you try to build up cd anyway . dafuq is that build suggestion thats not even good gonna help with vis current situation . shes straight up garbage high diamond-challenger , shes not the champ she was season 3-5 , she gets outclassed by way to many champs

FLABREZU3 votes

[{quoted}](name=AFK Yuumi Main,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hdmBMwIE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-04T12:34:59.424+0000)

Yes but actually no.

Try Vi with more of a bruiser build, or at top lane. item 3078 or item 3748.

Otherwise, try setting your runes for her to lower the CD of her ult more.

Imagine telling one of the best solo queue junglers of all time that he just doesn't know how to play his signature champion.

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