Karma rework is the most exciting one Riot's ever done

Moody P·Oct 24, 2018·5 votes·1,046 views

Look at that work of art.

No dumb, overcomplicated gimmick. No "MUH SKILLSHOT" garbage that keeps worming itself deeper into the game. Just a simple, beautiful niche spell. Finally, a rework that actually encourages strategy over mechanics and niche but strong value over bland generalism - getting back to LoL's roots but 10x better.

I could not be more eager to see this work out well. Riot has filled me with hope after seeing this

15 Comments

WinterkillOct 24, 20185 votes

You couldn't be more wrong. Nothing was done and it was just another one of those, "we know what is wrong with her and know what players want. This is all we are willing to do though."

chipndip1Oct 24, 20185 votes

She already has a skill shot on Q. "No muh skillshots".

Like, HELLO?

Moody POct 24, 20182 votes

not part of the rework

chipndip1Oct 24, 20181 votes

The point is that she never needed MORE variance in her game play because that already exists in a skill shot she already has.

Frosted TipsOct 24, 20183 votes

Niche spell that will break her when paired with about 2 champions and cause nerfs so then she becomes unplayable unless she is with those 2 champions.

Also no fans being brought back from her true rework, this is a small gameplay update not a rework. Reworks are much larger scale.

Also removing her potential to be played in a solo lane.

So the wrap it up she will be the least played she has ever been. She still doesn't feel like the old Karma which they said these changes were supposed to bring back old Karma a little bit more like old Soraka. Lastly, she has lost her lane diversity. So these changes in all are awful.

Moody POct 24, 20182 votes

Niche is good, far better than every generalist iteration of Karma that's existed prior and thus couldn't ever be justified unless her numbers were better

Also removing her potential to be played in a solo lane.

? nothing about her has changed to nerf her solo lane potential.

Frosted TipsOct 24, 20182 votes

Yes they do. These changes will not just be added to her and then forgot about. There will be nerfs to other aspects of her kit and that will be her solo lane potential. These changes offer nothing to solo lane Karma and if they are to be kept then the nerfs will be to damage or cooldown or base stats or scalings which all hurt solo lane Karma.

Tenth LeperOct 25, 20181 votes

I was going to say the same thing. Every mantra is now better for her as an AP mid. Her mantra e is worse for teamfights, but that is a bigger hit to support karma than mid anyway.

I do not see the problem here.

I do miss the fans, but I just want a new fan champion at this point.

IllabetheOct 24, 20182 votes

Nah. Her Niche requires her to be in harm's way. Pick a team that can auto attack/skill within 675 range and Karma dies every time.

Frosted TipsOct 24, 20181 votes

No it doesn't. The new part of her W requires her to be in cast range of her ally. So 675 away from you ally that if this change is supposed to incentivize mages bot as Carrie's which it seems to be that way means that you are 675 away from you ally that is 500+ away from the enemy, so you are about 1100 away from the enemy. That is pretty safe in my book.

IllabetheOct 24, 20181 votes

Wtf are you even talking about?

W has nothing at all to do with any allies. It's an Enemy skill. And it has a 675 range on the tether. Anything outside of 675 breaks the tether, and the root never happens.....

Frosted TipsOct 24, 20181 votes

Did you read the Dev Post on the Karma changes? That is what is being discussed.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/TkiBEVYV-karma-gameplay-change-preview

IllabetheOct 25, 20181 votes

Honestly... I didn't at the time I responded to you. I did shortly after.

I'm at work now, so can't type much....

But it looks like they want to solidify her as a jungler now. (Passive now affects large monsters too) (I'm ahead of the curve..... been jungling her since Season 6)

Her Micro play is going to have a lot more complications - Heal self and Root,...... or Enable another champ to kill...../restore their mana/CDRs. That means..... you're going to have to pick what teams you play Karma on.

You probably need a Jhin or or something with a strong CC to stun/root if you're going to use the support mechanic of her W as a support rather than mid/jungle. I wouldn't use her with Lucian, since he can't CC. It'd help his CDR, but there'd be no hard cc in that lane, unless she went for the root and played as normal.

ÆtheistOct 24, 20181 votes

Besides the part where Riot basically ignored seven years of people asking for the shield-bomb mechanic to come back and are just continuing to tack things nobody wanted onto her.

Also, that mana/cooldown restoring mechanic should've been saved for a Zilean rework if anything.