"We fixed Ashe"

Niyumi·Sep 21, 2016·2 votes·658 views

TWO HUNDRED AND FUCKING TWENTY ARMOR (220), Randuin's passive, Tabi passive, yet the Ashe WITH ZERO ARMOR PENETRATION ITEMS WHATSOEVER kills me in <2s by turning on Q and AFK autoing.

"Fair and balanced" yeah.

37 Comments

ZephyrDrakeSep 21, 20163 votes

what were the Ashe items? she is an ADC and any ADC with the right items will kill you fast even without armor pen. 220 armor is nothing if you have ZERO HP to back it up

No Yellow NorcoSep 21, 20161 votes

He's obviously beyond the point of reason.

NiyumiSep 21, 20161 votes

I had 3.2k health, she was MASSIVELY behind, 2/8. She had IE, Hurricane, Maw, AS boots and a BF sword. Dead in LESS than two seconds.

ZephyrDrakeSep 21, 20161 votes

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I had 3.2k health, she was MASSIVELY behind, 2/8. She had IE, Hurricane, Maw, AS boots and a BF sword. Dead in LESS than two seconds.

i wouldn't call those items to be "massively behind" and you had 2 armor items against an ADC who already had their core items built... sorry but a single armor item and tabi isn't enough to deal with an ADC with IE. You do know about Ashe's passive right? the one that she deals increased damage based on her crit chance? and that IE further boosts? also i highly doubt she killed you in less than 2 seconds unless you were stupid enough to go after her with half health or decided to jump at her while her entire team was there to help her. Sorry to say this but exaggerating things won't make them look better for you

NiyumiSep 21, 20161 votes

You know what Poppy's passive is, right? I get 15% extra armor. I had 220 armor.

And no, she just straight up killed me under towers if I didn't stun her.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20161 votes

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You know what Poppy's passive is, right? I get 15% extra armor. I had 220 armor.

And no, she just straight up killed me under towers if I didn't stun her.

you know being 2-8-15 isnt necessarily a non fed adc... 15 assst is alot her team just took most of the kills.

Gary B EnkelisSep 22, 20161 votes

CS counts also. 234 by the end of the game. I assume Ashe had less CS when the fights happened though. I don't know how much without more information.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20165 votes

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I had 3.2k health, she was MASSIVELY behind, 2/8. She had IE, Hurricane, Maw, AS boots and a BF sword. Dead in LESS than two seconds.

why do people never account for asst like they dont mean anything?

ASHE HAD 15 ASST

Gary B EnkelisSep 22, 20161 votes

And Ashe 's CS was 234 when the game ended.

LoLKiruSep 22, 20163 votes

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why do people never account for asst like they dont mean anything?

ASHE HAD 15 ASST

This

And even if she didn't, KDA begins to mean less and less as you gain farm, eventually everyone will hit full build no matter how behind they originally were.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20161 votes

yes however the 15 asst she got through out the game meaning she was gaining gold from the asst and that is the point of the game is gold to get items if its through cs/farm kills or asst or objectives... the team with more gold wins... unless the game drags out 55 mins then it dont mean anything any more

Gary B EnkelisSep 21, 20161 votes

I believe this is the game: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2299002285/228953398?tab=builds

But it says little about what actually happened.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 21, 20162 votes

ashe was 2-8-15 with item 3031 item 3085 item 3156 item 1036 item 1038 item 3006

he was Poppy 10-3-8 item 1400 item 3078 item 3143 item 3047 item 3065

ashe's only to kills were to him at the 35 min mark and the 38 min mark of the game. his team lost

Gary B EnkelisSep 21, 20161 votes

Poppy didn't even have item 3143 until 37:37. At 35:05 Poppy built item 3082 item 1011 .

DarkRitualSep 22, 20163 votes

Olaf had a Black Cleaver, he can reduce your armor for her.

Gary B EnkelisSep 22, 20162 votes

Nice catch!! Also they have MonkeyKing who further reduces armor up to 30%!

Dark NephthysSep 22, 20162 votes

You think Ashe is bad? She is still nothing like Vayne . I was playing DrMundo with item 3068 item 3742 item 3065 item 3075 item 3047 So I had around 3.5k HP, and 320 Armor and I died to Vayne in 3 auto attacks with item 3153 item 3031 item 3036 item 3124 item 3044 item 3006 . And yes I know Vayne is a tank killer late game, but to die in 3 auto attacks so that means she only proc'd her W only 1 time on me and she killed me through my Ultimate is stupid..

Gary B EnkelisSep 22, 20161 votes

Without doing the math, I doubt she killed you in 3 auto attacks unless there's more to the story.

item 3082 would slow her autoattack down, as an aside.

Well, I've been wrong before, but I have a feeling 3 autoattacks with those items would not kill someone unless there's like a major level difference and other things I'm too dumb to know.

By the way, DrMundo ultimate has a HP cost so it's possible you were already weakened.

Dark NephthysSep 22, 20161 votes

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Without doing the math, I doubt she killed you in 3 auto attacks unless there's more to the story.

would slow her autoattack down, as an aside.

Well, I've been wrong before, but I have a feeling 3 autoattacks with those items would not kill someone unless there's like a major level difference and other things I'm too dumb to know.

By the way, ultimate has a HP cost so it's possible you were already weakened.

Yea maybe it was some other stuff involved that I was to annoyed to look at. She did have item 3153 so maybe she hit me with the active + she used her ult so she got extra AD. And as you said Mundo's ult does cost HP so that might of also played a hand in it. I still feel that Vayne does way to much damage to tanks. I know that's her "niche" but I feel she is just way to strong and she really shouldn't have 12% Max HP true damage. I don't even know why they buffed her Q's damage to 70% AD a few patches ago.

Gary B EnkelisSep 22, 20161 votes

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-617-notes#patch-champions

Vayne is the iconic duelist marksman for the player who wants to 1v1 everything, showing off their mechanics by dodging skillshots with Tumble. However, Vayne’s been lagging behind most other marksmen for a number of patches. We’re upping the late-game damage on her bread and butter ability to lean harder into her identity.

Whatever that means.

Gary B EnkelisSep 21, 20161 votes

Who are you quoting with "We fixed Ashe" huh? Could you post your source or are you making it up for clickbait?

NiyumiSep 21, 20161 votes

I mean, Riot nerfed Ashe and said they fixed her issue. But, in reality, they avoided the issue (her Q and Fervor), and just did some placebo nerfs that did nothing.

Gary B EnkelisSep 21, 20161 votes

Prove it and show me where they said this.

NiyumiSep 21, 20161 votes

Go read the patch notes. They nerfed her W CD, the duration of Q by one second, and the damage on her ult. Yet, they didn't nerf her Q's damage or the AS bonus.

Gary B EnkelisSep 22, 20161 votes

Show me where to read in the patch notes. If you already have the information then give it to me. I don't want to go on some wild goose chase if you made some stuff up.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 21, 20161 votes

correct me if im wrong but arent most adcs late game a high damage dealer? ashe does get a bit more powerful with Q stacked with OPPRESSOR mastery stacked with FERVOR OF BATTLE and she scales with crit. she had flat 10 arm pen from item 3156 and i assume +7% armor pen in masteries.

Gary B EnkelisSep 22, 20161 votes

Yes Ashe has the % armor pen mastery (Battering Blows).

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2299002285/228953398?tab=builds&participant=2

They don't have Oppressor. They have Bounty Hunter. They have Warlord's Bloodlust, not Fervor of Battle.

Attticus FinchSep 21, 20161 votes

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TWO HUNDRED AND FUCKING TWENTY ARMOR (220), Randuin's passive, Tabi passive, yet the Ashe WITH ZERO ARMOR PENETRATION ITEMS WHATSOEVER kills me in <2s by turning on Q and AFK autoing.

"Fair and balanced" yeah.

Proof or you're exaggerating to the point where your entire post is irrelevant.

HigeSep 22, 20161 votes

her Q lasts 4 seconds, have you ever heard of disengage or skirmishers?

Not like Ashe is balanced but she has her weaknesses

also item 3009

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20161 votes

ashe 's weakness no mobility ? squishy? no escapes? auto attack reliant? hmm oh sounds like most ADCs and what do ADCs do in the game ? they provide sustained dps to kill tanks... they arent ( well most ) burst champs. burst champs kills sustain champs. tanks survive burst and kill /cc burst champs

rock paper scissors

Gary B EnkelisSep 22, 20161 votes

Poke > Burst > Sustain > Poke

Generally, in my opinion.

Ranged poke beats short ranged burst which beats over time heals which beat low damage range. I dunno. Something like that. Probably there are cases where I'm wrong. I probably got this wrong too.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20162 votes

one way to look at it..

tanks beat burst, sustain/dps beat tanks burst beats dps/sustain

HigeSep 22, 20162 votes

while there is some truth to this, league of legends doesn't really work like that, in game, a good tank is a character that can't kill but someone who can divert damage, initiate and CC accordingly, a tank's job isn't to kill Ashe, the tank's job is to make it so she has to focus him and not your squishies.

Players need to understand why they play certain roles and what are those roles duties, a tank is not a champion that will kill an adc, but he will help enough for the dmg dealers on his team to collect the fruits of a good initiation.

theonlyaustinSep 22, 20161 votes

Why do I feel like the "Less than 2 seconds" on a full tank poppy is a bit of an exaggeration

Gary B EnkelisSep 22, 20161 votes

Ashe 's team had Olaf with item 3071 (5-30% armor reduction) and MonkeyKing (30% armor reduction from rank 5 Q). Also Poppy only had item 3143 item 3047 for armor, besides runes (9) and level scaling and whatever else is in her kit (15% bonus armor doubled to 30% when below 40% health?).