Mages 2k19 lul

Thilmer··4 votes·988 views

I'm going to start this meme in advance to see if Riot gives mages some massive and stupid buffs like they did with ADCs.

Ritgth now mages are being pushed out of mid hard by asassins with more mobility, more damage and more wave clear in many cases. Let's not forget monstruosities like Irelia mid.

You can't use mages as supports unless you want them to suffer heavy nerfs because "supports are not allowed to deal so much damage".

You can't use mages in top because then they are nerfed for been "ranged and unfair for melees".

You can't use mages in jungler because of no sustain and low mobility.

You obviously can't play mages as APCs in bot because then ADCs complain: "People is playing Ziggs bot; that means ADCs are under powered and needs another 10 buffs".

Where are we allowed to play mages exactly?

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Moody P12 votes

none of this is true and mage mains are making up a narrative

saltran4 votes

DAE MAGES WEAK GIVE ME UPVOTES

King Lego6 votes

I'm a mage main, and i'm just here all "what the hell is this guy babbling about?"

Sure there are a lot of flashy champions these days, and Irelia mid, which is unhealthy to my opinion, but mages are not even useless.

For all i know, these days players are picking Assassins for the sake of "i monkey see Faker and monkey do Faker!" for the sake of flashy plays and go "OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH!"

While i personally see the Assassins and Irelia mid as an issue and somewhat unhealthy, they aren't problematic enough to make selecting a Mage would mean auto-lose. But still a problem nonetheless and needs to be dealt with.

Who Fed Ru5 votes

Can you mage mains just stfu once? Mages aren't useless and never were in the past months, and pro play is heavily proving that.

And I have yet to see a person that isn't hardstuck silver that truly believes Assassins have more waveclear than mages.

CauseSCIENCE6 votes

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Can you mage mains just stfu once? Mages aren't useless and never were in the past months, and pro play is heavily proving that.

And I have yet to see a person that isn't hardstuck silver that truly believes Assassins have more waveclear than mages.

To be fair assassins do have good waveclear. Mages have better waveclear with only 1 or 2 abilities but a zed w q e combo usually takes out your average minion wave, despite w's high cd

Who Fed Ru3 votes

Exactly, he has to use his literally entire combo to keep up with a mages waveclear, after which he has a 22 second W CD and no energy.

Especially after he used his whole combo on the wave he can't poke or threaten anything anymore, after which a mage can safely clear the wave.

And that's the Assassin with the best waveclear, and even he has heavy tradeoffs for it.

CauseSCIENCE2 votes

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Exactly, he has to use his literally entire combo to keep up with a mages waveclear, after which he has a 22 second W CD and no energy.

Especially after he used his whole combo on the wave he can't poke or threaten anything anymore, after which a mage can safely clear the wave.

And that's the Assassin with the best waveclear, and even he has heavy tradeoffs for it.

Yeah True

aezens4 votes

The problematic part is that they have waveclear in the first place. You can go roam without loosing anything. If you follow them (the stupid thing my tream always want me to do) you are dead. In pro play people know when they have to back but in solo queue you can ping 20 times and botlane will ignore you still.

Riot doesn´t know what to do with assassins and bruiser so they overbuff them in order to make them lane viable. Seriously has anyone ever calculated the pure gold value they get from there base stats and sustain dps compared to mages? It´s ridiculous and the "justification" is range advantage.

Who Fed Ru2 votes

The problematic part is that they have waveclear in the first place. You can go roam without loosing anything

If you play it correctly, you'll waveclear way faster than any Assassin and should be easily able to push them in. Idk why people always act like that is such a hard thing to do. It's all about waiting until the Assassin uses one of his CDs and then stepping forward and doing the back minions. And even in Zeds case, he can't waveclear without losing anything. If he goes to roam while his W is on CD, you can follow him without fearing anything.

Seriously has anyone ever calculated the pure gold value they get from there base stats and sustain dps compared to mages? It´s ridiculous and the "justification" is range advantage.

Ofc melees need better base stats. Range advantage is a very solid justification, because if you use it correctly, you'll see how strong it can be to be able to deal damage without having to get into the enemies face. It's all about being in the right places in the right time.

aezens3 votes

First of mages have cooldowns as well and a lot of wave clear spells are your defense spells as well and mages usually don´t have a lot of mobility. It´s very hard to push and harass without neglect your savety. Mages don´t really have kill pressure even when ahead. Assassins on the other hand just wait for you to use your spells as waveclear.

In addition things like item 3077 are straight up pain to push against. No chance.

Nonetheless pushing alone isn´t as usefull because ad caster get free autoattack boost for lasthiting under turret (not to mention additional lasthit assist like zeds passive). For some strange reason ad midlaner tend to have wave control with some items and lv6 every time I have a mage on my team. Must be coincidence.

Last but not least you never ever follow an assassin as a mage even if one ability is on cooldown. Especially not if there ultimate is up. There is a reason mages are most common in mid. It´s because they are usually very bad at dueling. If you dare to miss a single spell you are dead. Of cause assassins can miss skillshots as well but they have something mages don´t have: better sustain dps via ad scaling autoattacks, lower cooldowns and point and click abilities.

Who Fed Ru1 votes

idk I play both mages and Assassins and atm I picked up way more Syndra again even if I'm usually an Assassin main, simply because mages are way stronger atm imo.

Mages don´t really have kill pressure even when ahead

Not true. They have kill pressure, just not as much as Assassins, because, well because they are Assassins and should have more kill pressure, but being ahead on, lets just say Syndra, lets you completely dominate your enemy.

In addition things like are straight up pain to push against. No chance.

Then he gave up a lot of gold to keep up with the push, but heavily delays his power spike.

Nonetheless pushing alone isn´t as usefull because ad caster get free autoattack boost for lasthiting under turret (not to mention additional lasthit assist like zeds passive). For some strange reason ad midlaner tend to have wave control with some items and lv6 every time I have a mage on my team. Must be coincidence.

Because most people simply think "there is an Assassin against me, I have to stay away from him no matter what or he will take 80% of my hp". That's true as long as his abilities aren't on CD. Thing is, Assassins have to use them to outpush mages. And as mage you just have to stay back and focus on the melees, and when he steps up and uses his spells you can safely step up and clear the back minions. Easy.

Last but not least you never ever follow an assassin as a mage even if one ability is on cooldown. Especially not if there ultimate is up. There is a reason mages are most common in mid. It´s because they are usually very bad at dueling. If you dare to miss a single spell you are dead. Of cause assassins can miss skillshots as well but they have something mages don´t have: better sustain dps via ad scaling autoattacks, lower cooldowns and point and click abilities.

Now this is just some biased BS which isn't true at all or simply neglecting important things. Ofc you can follow an Assassin if he just used his entire combo on the wave, or depends on the Assassin at least, but you can safely follow a no energy Zed with his W on CD, and for other Assassins goes, if they pushed you in that fast so they can safely roam, on top of you didn't setting up wards in their roam paths, you did something wrong. And the thing with the "sustain dps" is that they have to be in your face to get it off, and every mage has a cc spell thats now easy to land, then there are things like minion aggro, towers, and many factors you didn't even mention.

The most important thing when laning against an Assassin is not to focus on winning the lane or outtrading him, but you want to simply deny him, meaning wait until he uses his core ability to farm, until then focus on the front minions, then clear the back ones, and when you pushed the wave, don't just stand around and give him or his jungler an free engage on you, but try to do things like getting vision in river, so you easily deny his roams if he manages to outpush you once.

TekkenPlayer1 votes

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Can you mage mains just stfu once? Mages aren't useless and never were in the past months, and pro play is heavily proving that.

And I have yet to see a person that isn't hardstuck silver that truly believes Assassins have more waveclear than mages.

"Muh pro play" is completely different than "muh soloq"

Otherwise Lux and Shaco would be top pro-play picks and Ryze would be a soloq nightmare which isnt true.

Assassins don't have more waveclear than mages, often. But it doesn't help that their burst patterns early prevent anyone from using waveclear advantage. Thus making them have better pushing and trading power early.

Neither assassins or mages are one-sidedly destroying "soloq". Neither class of champions are weak holistically. It's just that the weakest cases happen to be a few mages. And unfortunately, the boards think that the amount of tools in their kits define what makes a champion strong. Which isnt true either, otherwise Garen, MF, Sona, and Brand would be weak, but they have the highest winrates. In fact the entire balance of soloq is nerfing whatever kit has more depth than the other, leaving braindead champions in a perfectly good state because people want to balance by how many tools a champion has kit wise

Beatrice falls4 votes

penis

Rexxiee1 votes

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Mages are still one of the strongest classes in the game and most of adcs right now are complete garbage (save for broken lucian/kaisa).

Never change boards.

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