Watching Heimerdinger getting banned in LCS

D357R0Y3R·Sep 16, 2018·4 votes·1,756 views

from the adc of G2

but you know what the boards say?

"UHU NO DIVERSITY ANYMORE MARKSMAN ARE THE STRONGEST CLASS!!!"

11 Comments

ParoeSep 16, 20184 votes

... Because marksman ARE the strongest class. From itemization, to power spikes, to their very kits marksmen are the strongest as a whole in the entire game.

Hiemerdinger and ziggs are push-based, anti-snowball champions (in the bot lane) whose main focus is denying marksmen their powerspike. In fact, thats the purpose of any non-marksman bot lane; Stall, Deny, Win before they come online.

D357R0Y3RSep 16, 20182 votes

heimerdinger snowballing? XDDDDDD

wtf lmfaoo

ParoeSep 16, 20183 votes

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heimerdinger snowballing? XDDDDDD

wtf lmfaoo

... What? Did you read my post, or skim it?

Hiemerdinger and ziggs are push-based**, anti-snowball champions (in the bot lane)** whose main focus is denying marksmen their powerspike.

Anti-Snowball. Their job is to stall the lane in order to put their snowball-heavy lane opponents behind long enough for the rest of their team to snowball into a victory.

D357R0Y3RSep 16, 20181 votes

i'm pretty sure you wrote snowball but ok my bad i guess

your sentence makes no sense then

whose main focus is denying marksmen their powerspike.

anti snowballing doesn't prevent people to achieve their powerspike, it's the COMPLETE opposite

which is why tanks who prevent champions like renekton to snowball by stonewalling the lane, are shit against GP because he just scales without any pressure applied to him

ParoeSep 16, 20181 votes

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i'm pretty sure you wrote snowball but ok my bad i guess

but your sentence makes no sense then

anti snowballing doesn't prevent people to achieve their powerspike, it's the COMPLETE opposite

which is why tanks who anti snowball champions like renekton, are shit against GP because he just scales without any pressure applied to him

I never wrote snowball, as i havent edited the post. Anti-snowball isnt like renekton vs GP, which is similar to marksmen vs marksmen in that its an arms race to see who comes online first to put the other behind. Also like marksman vs marksman, the harder scaling champion will often win in the end as long as the game lasts long enough.

Anti-snowball is heavy zoning, being difficult to kill/punish, pushing hard, and keeping your enemy from gaining a lead. For champions like Heimer its just how theyre played, but for some champs like Talia and Orianna its more a playstyle.

D357R0Y3RSep 16, 20181 votes

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Anti-snowball is heavy zoning, being difficult to kill/punish, pushing hard, and keeping your enemy from gaining a lead. For champions like Heimer its just how theyre played, but for some champs like Talia and Orianna its more a playstyle.

this literally makes no fucking sense in the first place

but Heimerdinger also doesn't deny anything, do you think he's playing against melee champions or what? Marksmen cannot be denied by Heimer

ParoeSep 16, 20181 votes

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this literally makes no fucking sense in the first place

but Heimerdinger also doesn't deny anything, do you think he's playing against melee champions or what? Marksmen cannot be denied by Heimer

... It makes perfect sense because thats how you deny people...?

Do you think that the only way to deny and pressure people is to kill them first? You push hard, harass them, and keep them zoned.
Or... Do you think that marksman cant be zoned because ranged?!

SEKAISep 16, 20183 votes

Yes, 1 or 2 non-marksmen champ makes everything so much different.

D357R0Y3RSep 16, 20183 votes

Yasuo Heimer Swain Vlad

who the fuck do you want them to play? Wukong ? omegalul

most of champions in this game are trash in pro play, when it comes to botlane if you want to take a non adc, they have to first be viable in coordinated play

So if pros can play Heimer or Swain botlane then regular play can play WHOEVER THEY WANT TO PLAY BOT

but people don't want to play non adc botlaners, unless adcs are shit

saltranSep 16, 20182 votes

Hjarnan is a Heimer otp, old news

BestPudgeNASep 17, 20181 votes

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from the adc of G2

but you know what the boards say?

"UHU NO DIVERSITY ANYMORE MARKSMAN ARE THE STRONGEST CLASS!!!"

Since the 8.15 Stormrazor cost reduction from 3200-2800 the top 3 picked non-marksman Swain/Vlad/Donger they have a total of 27 picks in the top 5 regions. The top 3 pick ADCs in that same time period were Kai'sa, EZ and Varus, who were pick 365 times

Doesn't seem like bot lane is very diverse or balanced at all. It's almost like ADCs are just smashing everything again