Mark my words, next few days aatrox win rate will rise madly then followed by over nerf

ValiantKiller·Jul 3, 2018·5 votes·4,435 views

And all of that cause people asked for that buffs and now his heal is madly with special if he rush it second item.

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Ch1efBeefQueefJul 3, 20183 votes

He is already disgusting. Its not tough to juke his abilities, but get hit by 1 q? You take 900 dmg to the face. Utter bullshit. I think people who complain about him forget that team comps usually have cc, and all you have to do is land a couple of abilities and completely annihilate whoever your target is...

Also that 900 dmg single q hit came from an aatrox with three items, the only two dmg items where steraks and BC and he was lvl 12

ValiantKillerJul 3, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Soda Popinski,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hGusAHLJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-03T04:14:23.531+0000)

He is already disgusting. Its not tough to juke his abilities, but get hit by 1 q? You take 900 dmg to the face. Utter bullshit. I think people who complain about him forget that team comps usually have cc, and all you have to do is land a couple of abilities and completely annihilate whoever your target is...

Also that 900 dmg single q hit came from an aatrox with three items, the only two dmg items where steraks and BC and he was lvl 12

Dude he can out heal illaoi in lane, What a joke is that ? And he can poke ranged juggernaut like Urgot and ofcourse rest of his kit make him able to dodge yorick walls, daruis E, etc

So people cry ? what riot do ? Right buff his R CD which make him live while moving yay time to be Tryndamere V2, they buff his E healing by 5% like why not buff illaoi healing too then ? And after all of that buffing his total damage cause people crying, just like what they done with Kai and Ornnn but only ornn got overnerfed while kai still running around.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 3, 20182 votes

What ever happened to the times where you could expect a champ like kayle, or rammus to be released? Nowadays they have to have 18 mega passives, 2 sions health worth of combo damage, Hecarims mobility on steroids, and some stupid gimmicky ability to make them "unique".

This game is a gong show.

ValiantKillerJul 3, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Soda Popinski,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hGusAHLJ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-03T06:27:23.059+0000)

What ever happened to the times where you could expect a champ like kayle, or rammus to be released? Nowadays they have to have 18 mega passives, 2 sions health worth of combo damage, Hecarims mobility on steroids, and some stupid gimmicky ability to make them "unique".

This game is a gong show.

Kai can dash like any assassin, get shield like any diver, make damage like any adc or brust ap if wanted. Zoe is the same so is aatrox, then someone who can't play them on first day cry then riot buff them.

NyarlathοtepJul 3, 2018

Outheal illaoi? Its not a surprise. Illaoi's heal works against champs and is missing % hp heal. While aatrox's heal works on everyone. And no. He cant poke. He has horrendous poke. If someone is within aatrox q reach, then chances are that he too, is within their range one way or another.

And dont compare tryndamere's ulti with aatrox' ulti. One spell lets you not die, and the other revives you if you die (plus in order for it to revive you for a decent hp you will have to charge it first).

they buff his E healing by 5% like why not buff illaoi healing too then

Because they proc differently. Illaoi's needs champs and heals per champs hit, based on her missing hp. Specifically, its 5% per champ.

NyarlathοtepJul 3, 2018

Bs. He cant deal 900 damage with a single q. All 3 of them? Quite likely. But 1? Hell now. Besides, considering how easy it is to evade them, it is only natural to hurt.

MarshbouyJul 3, 20181 votes

He can later into the game.

EDIT: it doesn't sound too ridiculous with Steraks and BC, especially if he popped ult.

NyarlathοtepJul 3, 2018

Bs. With bc, steraks, titanic, dd, tabi, visage (i tried to take a realistic build) he has about 418 ad (with the ad pot) with no of his own buffs . His 1st q at that point deals 311 (edge).
With his e and ulti the ad goes to 550 ad. His 1st q deals 390 dmg. Hardly 900 with a single q. His 3rd q (which deals the most damage at the sweet point) deals about 585 (both e and r).

Now if you are talking about full damage aatrox, (for this example i built the 3 lethality items, lord dominiks, dd, hydra. just for the lolz i didnt buy boots). With 550 ad (ad pot too), his first q deals 703 dmg (no r, e). With his e and ulti the ad goes to 747. His first q deals, surprisingly 913 dmg.

Tldr, he can deal over 900 with a single q. But unless he goes full ad, and he has a couple of ad buffs, he wont deal over 900.

DISCLAIMER : The dummies have 100 armour. So in actuality he might deal a bit more damage (depending on the target)

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 3, 20181 votes

I can probably still save the replay, i remember it clearly as my jaw slammed into the floor. 1 q, not 3, did 900 dmg to my ass, and deleted me. I was playing ziggs.

NyarlathοtepJul 3, 2018

Cool. It would be nice if you did post it. Because otherwise its nigh impossible, with some extreme exceptions.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 3, 20181 votes

Ill see what i can do, though ive never posted a replay on this site before.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 3, 20181 votes

Unfortunately I cannot get the replay, unless there is a way to save replays from over 20 games ago.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 3, 20181 votes

Aatrox is literal dogshit.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 4, 20181 votes

No, if you think that way, you don't know how to play him. He is absurdly over tuned because of people like you.

Axe Named SwordJul 3, 20183 votes

Nobody wants a buff, nobody wants this champion in general. It's not Aatrox, and it's possibly the worst rework Riot has ever released. They've made a fighter with massive burst in duels and good sustain offset by weak gap closers that allow people to kite him and a passive that can be easily baited out if the enemy is cautious and pokes him down into an AD caster juggernaut with mild sustain and mobility who can't duel if you dodge one skillshot, has a Zilean ult that needs to be charged and AD steroid for his R, has little in the way of burst or damage in general from what I've seen, doesn't have substantial CC even though two out of his four main abilities have built in hard CC, and has absolutely no gap closers which means he's now even more fucked by the same people who fucked him before, except now he's also fucked by most tanks, adcs, juggernauts, fighters, assassins, mages, supports, and really anyone who won't just stand next to you for you to get the entirety of your combo off or has even the slightest amount of cc. Even if old Aatrox wasn't healthy this is just insulting, and honestly I think it would be better if they just reverted him.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 3, 20181 votes

Worst rework riot ever released? Please man, they killed Mordekaiser for no reason. They went at him like the men from Office Space went after the printer. I don't think ill ever see a champ get curb stomped as hard as Morde. And worse, nobody seems to care.

ValiantKillerJul 3, 20181 votes

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Worst rework riot ever released? Please man, they killed Mordekaiser for no reason. They went at him like the men from Office Space went after the printer. I don't think ill ever see a champ get curb stomped as hard as Morde. And worse, nobody seems to care.

And urgot right here still not able to use any decent keystone beside PTA or comet or aery which doesn't fit his heavy fighter type plus not able to build like any juggernaut

Axe Named SwordJul 4, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Soda Popinski,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hGusAHLJ,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-07-03T15:16:55.984+0000)

Worst rework riot ever released? Please man, they killed Mordekaiser for no reason. They went at him like the men from Office Space went after the printer. I don't think ill ever see a champ get curb stomped as hard as Morde. And worse, nobody seems to care.

Mordekaiser at least kept most of his abilities recognizable, though they did utterly fuck his gameplay and some of his identity by trying to shoehorn him into botlane for no reason. Aatrox's rework, without looking directly at the character design (which even then looks more like a different Darkin than Aatrox) and just looking at his abilities, most people would think it was some weird rework for Riven or that Riot had decided to try making another new champion that was way too similar in its design and would immediately be overshadowed by what came before it.

Morde, while his rework was fucking terrible, could still be considered Morde because while his abilities were fucked around with in major and horrible ways they still were the same kind of abilities at a very basic level, and his personality and design were already left alone. His passive was still a shield gained from damage, his Q was still an empowered auto, his W was still a magic damage AOE that you could place on people, and his ult was still a DOT ability that brought back spoopy gosts to fight for you.

Aatrox on the other hand, had his revive passive moved to his ult and replaced with an empowered auto attack, had his Q, a delayed and short-ranged dash that knocked up enemies in a small area, replaced with a three hit AOE knockup in a small area in front of him, his W, an ability that either gave him empowered autos at the cost of health or increased life steal at the cost of damage, replaced with a single target delayed pull, his E, a thin skillshot that slows enemies and does decent damaged replaced with a short range dash and AD steroid that stores two charges, and his R, which was previously an AOE nuke meant to enable his massive burst and give him extra range and attack speed to make him a more effective duelist was replaced with a movement speed and AD buff that slowly charges his blood well and revives him if he dies.

At best his ult could be considered a worse version of both his old passive and his old ult, but literally nothing else in new Aatrox's kit is even close to what old Aatrox did, and on top of that they turned a calm and collected war demon who remained in control no matter the situation into another CAPSLOCK MCEDGELORD WHO WON'T SHUT UP, gave him a death wish, and removed all of his most unique features from his character design unless you're ulting.

I wasn't even interested in old Aatrox, but this rework is just insulting.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 4, 20181 votes

Look man, im not denying that Aatrox had his identity completely 86d but at least he is still playable. Aatrox is actually really strong right now if you know what you are doing with him. Morde has never seen a spec of healthy gameplay since his abomination of a rework. Riot couldn't care less about us Morde players, and when we complained on the forums, people generally ignored us and told us to shut our mouths. I warned everyone about this on the forums way back then that if we dont put our foot down on these terrible decisions, that one day it will be the champ that they love that gets dragged under a freight train.

And if you played Morde for any length of time, the flow of his abilities, to their usefulness have been completely ruined by his rework. His mace of spades was removed in favor for an ability that requires you to be in melee range on a champ with no mobility for three autos to fully use. His shield is dogshit unless he is buffing an ally champ or maxes it out for the health. His E cast time is longer and no longer instant with the bulk of its damage completely removed, and his ult is weaker. They also removed all of his ad ratios and bonuses from ghosts because ("makes no sense to me, better remove it") which took away creative and strategic game play from him.

What was all this for? Because Riot removed spell vamp items like Will of the Ancients and then eventually spell vamp in general and it hurt Morde's performance greatly. All they literally had to do was buff his sustain and he would have been just fine without the god awful rework.

MarshbouyJul 3, 20182 votes

Yup. Once people start figuring out how to play him better things are gonna flip for him real quick. I'm already seeing a lot of success with him in lane, but it's a bit difficult to translate that into later into the game.

ValiantKillerJul 3, 20181 votes

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Yup. Once people start figuring out how to play him better things are gonna flip for him real quick. I'm already seeing a lot of success with him in lane, but it's a bit difficult to translate that into later into the game.

He just work like Lane bully now just like Urgot, illaoi, Rene,etc either he bully and snowball or he will fall down quickly during mid game.

Critmaster GarenJul 3, 20182 votes

nobody is asking for a buff. they should re rework his new q.

DaizumiJul 3, 20182 votes

Yeah I know. but buffing him more than what he is now wont be good.

ValiantKillerJul 3, 20182 votes

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Yeah I know. but buffing him more than what he is now wont be good.

That is true.

BLACK REALM GODJul 3, 20181 votes

good. there is only 1 top lane champion that matters anyway.

ValiantKillerJul 3, 20181 votes

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good. there is only 1 top lane champion that matters anyway.

Who is that ?

Warlord ScrapJul 3, 20181 votes

Can we just go back to no more mid patch updates. They seem to do more harm than good.

ValiantKillerJul 3, 20181 votes

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Can we just go back to no more mid patch updates. They seem to do more harm than good.

Agree, so agree maybe just stop giving random buffs cause someone cry in damn forum and give it two weeks before buffing thing up or they just good at mid patch buffing yet champion like Nocturne who is busted right now take ages to get nerfs ?

Warlord ScrapJul 3, 20182 votes

But but you dont have to play league to balance it

ValiantKillerJul 3, 20181 votes

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But but you dont have to play league to balance it

Right you just need to guess and do stuff you like lol

AnagsJul 3, 20181 votes

How is a champ with a 50% winrate busted exactly?

ValiantKillerJul 3, 20181 votes

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How is a champ with a 50% winrate busted exactly?

Maybe cause he able to burst someone from 1000 range in few seconds ? no matter how good you ward or put pinky ward ? cause there no counterplay to it ? But again if you want to defend him, go ahead riot already planning a few nerfs to him.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 3, 20181 votes

A champ that hs 100% presence in every major league and is basically permabanned is kinda busted yeah.

Mokuto BunshiJul 3, 20181 votes

Unless they buff him again I do not see him being broken in the next few days. (Unless riven gets some indirect buffs /s)

ValiantKillerJul 3, 20181 votes

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Unless they buff him again I do not see him being broken in the next few days. (Unless riven gets some indirect buffs /s)

Just wait for it,you will see

DaizumiJul 3, 20181 votes

I hope they don’t buff him like they did kaisa on release. He’s actually not that bad id dare say he’s pretty decent. If anything I’d be fine with a few QoL changes but right now he’s coool and he’s actually fun to play

ValiantKillerJul 3, 20181 votes

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I hope they don’t buff him like they did kaisa on release. He’s actually not that bad id dare say he’s pretty decent. If anything I’d be fine with a few QoL changes but right now he’s coool and he’s actually fun to play

He already got mid -patch buffs if you didn't notice