I Don't Even Play Eve Anymore

Woodakoodashooda··14 votes·1,095 views

Why?

Runeglaive got nerfed a few patches ago because Riot didn't want laners abusing it and told us, 'Don't worry, junglers, you'll see its benefits by clearing camps.' But anyone who jungles knows that you aren't going to be doing much jungle clearing mid to late game because that's when you're in the shit with your team trying to win decisive fights for objectives. So the nerf not only affected laners, but junglers as well. The only champions who can benefit from it anymore are those who can make the most out of its attack speed buff without caring at all about the mana regen.

Eve's hate spike damage was nerfed as well, reducing its base damage from 40/55/70/85/100 to 40/50/60/70/80 because Riot disliked her killing potential as an assassin, but this also wrecked her clear times in the jungle because she spends more time taking out camps and more time trying to recover lost health from monster aggro. What was the pay off? A slight increase to the slow on her ultimate. Something that has a massive CD and does nothing for her clears.

It is important to note that Eve's Hate Spike damage was changed in 5.7 from 30/45//60/75/90 to 40/55/70/85/100, but if Riot really wanted to make her Hate Spike instrumental in issuing damage then why wasn't the 90 damage at max rank kept? Why was it necessary to nerf her max level base damage below 90?

Now her Shadow Dash has been given a cost. Why? Just because she has a mana bar she automatically has to have a cost to it? Riot's excuse is that Runeglaive gives her too much mana regen...Question, who plays nerfed Runeglaive on nerfed Eve? And if Runeglaive gives too much mana regen then why don't we start increasing costs to champions who regularly abuse it? I suppose it's because Eve's passive regenerates missing mana, but only when it's active.

Allow me a moment to be sarcastic.

I really appreciate it when my team tell me, as their jungle, "Don't worry, you can relax. We don't need you to hurry over and gank after you've cleared 6 different camps."

Really. When are Eve players ever allowed to enjoy the mana regen from her passive? The only real benefit enjoyed from it is the stealth that allows her to surprise enemies. Whenever I played Eve jungle, I had to race my own mid lane to snag blue buff because players automatically assume, "You're Eve, you don't need it. Your passive is good enough." So, don't tell experienced Eve players that the reason you nerfed her again is because her mana regen has become a problem!

23 Comments

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

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Question, who plays nerfed Runeglaive on nerfed Eve?

And you wonder why she seems bad.

CatSith1 votes

Its just 40 mana to her W, not the end of the world.

lolipopevelynn11 votes

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40 mana to her W, not the end of the world.

you truly dont understand how badly this fucks over eves playstyle. not only that but the REASONING behindn the nerf was completely pointless since runeglaives mana regen only works on monsters... it has zero effect in team fights or 1v1 duels.

if they truly wanated to mana gate her then they would have split that 40 mana between her Q and E. adding it to her W just fucks her for no good reason and now she is pretty much on life support.

i love eve and she will always be my fav champ, but i think ima fucking main kindred untill they fix stealth and leave eve the fuck alone. its getting ridiculous now.

CatSith1 votes

and what is her playstyle? W run in spam q e w and run out. Limiting her ablility to spam her W reset is a justified nerf. Shes still viable, shes still a strong jungler. Acting like this over a minor nerf like this is childish. Riot has done alot of nerfs that weren't Okay and gutted champions.

This doesn't gut eve.

Aazzlano2 votes

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and what is her playstyle? W run in spam q e w and run out. Limiting her ablility to spam her W reset is a justified nerf. Shes still viable, shes still a strong jungler. Acting like this over a minor nerf like this is childish. Riot has done alot of nerfs that weren't Okay and gutted champions.

This doesn't gut eve.

I have over 2000 ranked games with eve since season 2 and have played her through many jungle changes (obviously) and played her both lane and jungle extensively. To this end, I believe I have gathered enough data to provide an informed opinion.

This change is absolutely horrible and completely ruins her playstyle. It's not even remotely close to a minor nerf. The reasons have already been stated (and there are far more reasons why this hurts her badly) but you would need to actually play her to understand.

CatSith1 votes

Then tell me how it ruins her playstyle in detail. because all the excuses Ive read about this nerf is saying it ruins her playstyle with nothing to back it up.

facemelter7101 votes

Her mana gets used fast. Really fast. If i need mana for my next camp or to get to lane faster but also need to go fast after.... as eve her speed is key and you use it all the time. play her yesterday. and play her today. you will find out how shitty it is. The amount of manna u get from 20 sec. In stealth whick you are never stealth for 20 sec after 1.55 . is not enough to warent this nurf nor is the mana u get from runeglave. he playstyle changes from game to game. and this nurf is just another slap in the face from riot as they bully eve off the rift.

Support Evelynn1 votes

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Then tell me how it ruins her playstyle in detail. because all the excuses Ive read about this nerf is saying it ruins her playstyle with nothing to back it up.

They claim she now needs to make a decision when using W, except her entire kit is designed around spamming W and it being free.

Thumpin1 votes

Her entire kit is built around using stealth to flank, get a 3-5 man ult in a teamfight, and spam Q until something dies. In no way do you need to spam W every time it's off cooldown, especially if you're building her properly (Rylai's).

Support Evelynn2 votes

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Her entire kit is built around using stealth to flank, get a 3-5 man ult in a teamfight, and spam Q until something dies. In no way do you need to spam W every time it's off cooldown, especially if you're building her properly (Rylai's).

Yes please, try flanking into a team on a squishy assassin in an Elo where people actually know how to focus, it doesn't go well trust me.

I'm extremely experienced with Evelynn and you have no clue what you're talking about.

Thumpin1 votes

Shouldn't your teammates in that Elo know how to follow up such an initiation?

Support Evelynn2 votes

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Shouldn't your teammates in that Elo know how to follow up such an initiation?

Follow up what? My dead corpse? Listen bud I learned something when I was mid to high plat and climbing to diamond:

Assassins don't initiate.

Thumpin1 votes

So you absolutely, never ever, not once since reaching diamond 5, have used Eve's passive to flank a team that can't see you, and waited for the perfect moment to hit a bunch of them with your ult while the rest of your team collapses on them? Riiiiight. Of course. Because she's all about resetting her W and not abusing stealth to play in ways that no other champions can.

Support Evelynn1 votes

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So you absolutely, never ever, not once since reaching diamond 5, have used Eve's passive to flank a team that can't see you, and waited for the perfect moment to hit a bunch of them with your ult while the rest of your team collapses on them? Riiiiight. Of course. Because she's all about resetting her W and not abusing stealth to play in ways that no other champions can.

Flanking to initiate a fight is something bruiser eve does, unless you know you can get away with it.

More often than not I use stealth for picks, waiting for a person to isolate themselves while I go in for the kill. When it comes to teamfighting I use my stealth to position myself but I wait for things to be blown.

Maybe instead of thinking you're right, listen to someone who's obviously better than you at the game and use it to improve yah?

Thumpin1 votes

This has fuck all to do with who's better or worse at Eve. This about you and all the other clowns on this forum spewing bullshit about this nerf killing Eve and specifically your comments claiming that her kit is built around spamming W.

Support Evelynn1 votes

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This has fuck all to do with who's better or worse at Eve. This about you and all the other clowns on this forum spewing bullshit about this nerf killing Eve and specifically your comments claiming that her kit is built around spamming W.

Your W is your ENTIRE IN FIGHT MOBILITY. It should be up as often as possible to cover ground in fights and avoid skillshots.

BlackEyesBlue3 votes

Ignorance.

I love how everyone who complains about Eve has no Idea how she works!; and this isn't a minor nerf! It's the last straw! They have nerfed or attempted to nerf her for the last 4 cycles! Her fans have had enough! This constant string of pointless bullying nerfs while much more powerful, dominant and annoying champs are going untouched or even getting buffed! Teemo

CatSith1 votes

Blind is what you guys are.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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and what is her playstyle? W run in spam q e w and run out. Limiting her ablility to spam her W reset is a justified nerf. Shes still viable, shes still a strong jungler. Acting like this over a minor nerf like this is childish. Riot has done alot of nerfs that weren't Okay and gutted champions.

This doesn't gut eve.

First of all, you do realize that nerfs stack up on each other right? 2nd of all, if you dont play eve alot then it is pointless to explain to you why going from 0 mana to 40 mana on a reset ability is a HUGE deal for her, but i will try anyway.

her Q cost 36 mana per cast and is her main source of damage. it has 1.5 sec base CD and if you like to max CDR on eve like i do then it is actually 0.9 sec CD. every 0.9 seconds in a fight is 36 mana spent from her Q ALONE. this adds up VERY quickly... now how does this relate to her W?

Dark Frenzy's cooldown is reduced by 1 second every time Evelynn damages an enemy champion with an ability, and its cooldown is refreshed on enemy champion takedowns.

this means that aside from her Q, her W will actually be used the most directly behind her Q. it is secondary to her entire kit and you will be spamming it ALOT because it refreshes ALOT. CDR lets her spam W a shit ton in fights and skirmishes, so it NEEDS to cost 0 mana. adding 40 mana to her W means it will be rendered next to fucking useless... she wastes mana spamming her W means she will go OOM twice as fast and if she is OOM she will do absolutely NOTHING.

like its a really big deal dude... you need to understand how fast eve goes OOM just from spamming Q alone, let alone when she uses her E or ults. her W costed 0 mana all these years for a god damn reason.

if riot REALLY insist on keeping this change they they need to compensate her by removing 10 mana from max rank on her Q at the very least... this way it would still be an overall nerf to eve, but it wont be so drastically harsh. i mean that would be good balancing practice. fucking developers in video games these days dont know how to do it. BALANCING something means you take away from one area and give to another area, THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS TO BALANCE SOMETHING! you dont constantly take away from one side and never give to the other side... you make sure that the scale is fucking even.

you dont just straight up nerf a champion for several patches and then REVERT one of those nerfs and call it a "buff". thats ridiculously stupid.

the only champion in the game that they balance correctly is annie. that is the one champion that whenever they nerf they ALWAYS buff in another area at the same time.

3TWarrior1 votes

or there's the champions that they never touch and were perfectly fine but caused strife

Mordekaiser for instance, was meant to shut down any one lane but lose viability late game

malzahar, a mage practically untouched, same as brand

oh, everyone's favorite: Velkoz...someone who does their job as a mage and has clear weaknesses

meanwhile, there are items that force you to focus one champ out of a group (devourer), even if they're not normally apriority target

MohawkBird2 votes

From what I understand the only thing that really fucks her up about this is her not being able to spam it between camps to get extra move speed. It might be less mobility to chase and run away from people, but you shouldn't be seeing any more mana problems than you were already seeing as far as jungle clearing goes.

MohawkBird1 votes

You do realize it is so easy to get a complete jungle item before 10 minutes? I guarantee you will be doing a lot of jungle clearing then.

Dunkrius2g1 votes

I Dont Even Play Darius. Why? Cuz hes banned all the time. The nerf to her is not necessary tbh.

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