Frozen Mallet's price should be 3000

FalconPawwwwnch·Jun 25, 2015·50 votes·2,268 views

The efficiency on the item is so pathetically low for absolutely no reason whereas Rylai's has really good efficiency

Frozen Mallet has 89% gold efficiency and Rylai's has over 110% gold efficiency without including their passives, the AP Bias is real

Price should be 2900 or 3000

Edit: Lol @ all the comments saying they don't want a permaslow when Mages are getting a 40% AOE permaslow next patch with Rylai's. The double standard of melee hate on this forum is so sad

52 Comments

DracidJun 25, 201512 votes

I think its fine the way it is. the passive on it is super strong. the only reason its not used more often is its build path is awful

pE4CbxDPQOJun 25, 20157 votes

You dont think there is some value to a melee training your ass into shape and making it so you cannot escape?

doublelift fgJun 25, 20155 votes

you don't think there is some value for a mele to run every where beeing kited by ranged champion with 500 dash every time?

ChaoticPineconeJun 25, 201519 votes

ahem.

FM isnt melee specific. Imagine if it was more gold efficient, and ADCs (like Kalista) can actually use it in their build.

i like pie mmmJun 25, 20152 votes

but the effect is greatly reduced for ranged attacks hence balance

SammystormJun 25, 20151 votes

It really isn't bad enough for adc's to not buy it ADC's don't buy it because it is not a very good defensive item. Ranged top laners like jayce will buy it if it is made to be good. Before they changed mallet it was bought by a lot of ranged top laners and just ruined melee champions day. You buff it and melee's see less play not more.

3TWarriorJun 29, 20151 votes

yet how many melee have a gapcloser equal to a ranged character's range? even at only 15% slow(same as rylai's), it can allow the ranged character, especially kalista, to easily outrun a melee character

Troy242621Jun 25, 20155 votes

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ahem.

FM isnt melee specific. Imagine if it was more gold efficient, and ADCs (like Kalista) can actually use it in their build.

NO. NO GOD no, NO. NO NO NO.

FunkmasterFunkJun 26, 20151 votes

If I get fed as Kalista I usually build it as my 5th or 6th item.

ABlueQuakerJun 25, 20156 votes

I've been saying this for over a year now and I always get downvoted into oblivion. Why are such similar items, which are the AP and AD equivalents of each other, so different in terms of stats, build paths and total costs??

ChaoticPineconeJun 25, 20156 votes

because most AP champions cannot use a Rylais to keep you permaslowed (and if they can, its at 15%). Every champion can get 1 autoattack off before the 1.5 second, 30% slow (40% for melee) wears off.

doublelift fgJun 25, 20151 votes

then why doesn't riot make frozen mallet so additional attack won't refresher the duration?

ChaoticPineconeJun 25, 20155 votes

the refresh on the slow is the main strength of the Mallet. If the slow didnt refresh, the item really isnt worth as much. For the same reason, you dont see Rylais being built on champions other than Singed, Cassio, and Karthus - the slow is good, but only worth buying if you can permaslow your enemy.

YumaS2AstralJun 25, 20151 votes

I buy it for Vladimir, too - With enough CDR you can permaslow you enemy with Q and E.

ArkenStormJun 25, 20151 votes

except they are actually changing it.

Toothless LionJun 25, 20152 votes

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because most AP champions cannot use a Rylais to keep you permaslowed (and if they can, its at 15%). Every champion can get 1 autoattack off before the 1.5 second, 30% slow (40% for melee) wears off.

You haven't seen the new Rylai's have you? AOE now slows for 40% for 1 second.

ChaoticPineconeJun 25, 20151 votes

the duration of the slow isnt the limiting factor on purchasing this item for every champion - its the refresh on abilities. Most AP champions dont have the consistency to permaslow someone. Also, most mages are for burst, making the 100 AP less attractive than the 120 options.

Compare that to the FM, which has the second highest HP in the game. Warmogs shines earlier in the game before most champions get the necessary damage to deal with the massive health, but if youre buying Warmogs 5th or 6th, i find the FM is a better option.

Meep ManJun 25, 20156 votes

They just need to rework Frozen Mallet to where it is an active that is something like this:

item 3022 Frozen Mallet +700 Health +30 Attack Damage Passive: The cool down of this ability decays twice as fast while under the effects of crowd control. Active: Enhance your next basic attack to deal 30 bonus magic damage and slow the enemy by 25% (+2% per level) for 2.5 seconds. Basic attacks against the target while they are slowed will increase the duration of the slow by 0.25 seconds. The slow and slow duration is decreased for ranged champions, becoming 15% (+1.5% per level) and 2 seconds, increased by 0.2 seconds per basic attack. (50 second cool down)

This way its not just a passive "You are permaslowed" and has moments of power and weakness as well as becoming a slightly more powerful slow. It has reduced power on ranged champions to still be balanced as well. It also has it's cool down reduced while you are being effectively kited.

doublelift fgJun 25, 20151 votes

not 50 sec coodlown

TaarkiJun 26, 20151 votes

Maybe 25-30?

VerxintJun 25, 20152 votes

I have no idea what numbers would be balanced but this is a pretty good idea imo.

DurukuriJun 25, 20151 votes

I second this for how much gold the darn item costs.. So REWORK! :D

commit an heroJun 25, 20154 votes

To be fair you can auto attack a lot more than you can spam your spells. But do you really want a bunch of bruisers always sticking to your booty?

killd0zerJun 25, 20154 votes

It's intentionally hard to get, because its stupidly powerful on pretty much everyone if it's accessible.

Mandang0Jun 25, 20153 votes

Gold efficiency is a worthless stat to talk about. Hell, all of the mana regen items have inflated gold values because mana regen as a stat costs a buttload of gold.

Also, 40% slow on autoattacks that can't miss is stronger than 15% slow on skills that can miss, which is the case for the majority of potential Rylai's users.

ArkenStormJun 25, 20152 votes

except they are changing rylais to 40% slow for 1 second.

Mandang0Jun 25, 20151 votes

Well, I was only speaking to current Rylai's.

If 40% slow Rylai's gets released, we can worry about that then.

Raid Boss MordeJun 26, 20153 votes

Melee champs can constantly slow you... mages only get their slow for 1 second on each skill. Mages have cooldowns... there aren't cooldowns for auto attacks. So please, NO.

acepil0tJun 25, 20152 votes

Gnar does not need buffs.

KingsgraveJun 25, 20152 votes

Mallet isn't weak because it would be too strong on a Melee against a Ranged

It's weak because it would be too strong on a Melee against a Melee

RebonackJun 25, 20152 votes

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Mallet isn't weak because it would be too strong against Ranged

It's weak because it would be too strong against Melee

Make the passive melee-only?

They could use the help.

doublelift fgJun 25, 20152 votes

make the passive not working against mele

The EcdysiastJun 25, 20152 votes

Um... To everyone saying they don't want a slow.... Ashe Ashe Ashe Where were you when they were talking about her rework? And I don't see you complaining about Gangplank .

Sightless66Jun 25, 20151 votes

They're designed around having it. Not the same issue.

SammystormJun 25, 20152 votes

Gangplank's slow is pathetic. Ashe loses a lot of damage for the ability to slow people permanently.

Silents429Jun 25, 20151 votes

It's actually lower because of how easy it is to basic attack in comparison to having to land spells.

Also the slow on item 3116 only lasts a second now in comparison to 1.5 seconds on the item 3022

It just needs a better build path.

Weasel KenseiJun 25, 20151 votes

Udyr with item 3022 item 3282 says you better not let me touch you, cause youre never getting away if I do.

Also, most spells have enough cooldown that you cant permaslow someone... most. The FM permaslows on pretty much anyone. In some games Iv gone so far as to put the FM on my support, the extra hp saves me from burst, and the slow means running is a fantasy not a solution.

I agree that the FM is pretty expensive, but I also dont want some of the vicious melee champs in the game to have an easier time than they already do both sticking, and surviving. Also if it is cheaper, you will see it on a lot more supports, and it will make some jungler ganks just unreal.

FM, expensive, but you get what you pay for.

vikenJun 25, 20151 votes

Oh HELL no we aren't going back to the unpeelable bruiser era sorry man this is the way it's gotta be

TheI3igDaddyJun 25, 20151 votes

I agree that the price should be reduced, but the slow % would need to be reduced as well; too many abuse cases would pop up.

Perhaps the gold efficiency doesn't take a full permaslow into account.

The LovelessJun 25, 20151 votes

40 or 45 AD and I'm happy with the price. I don't want it to be more accessible (read: the sooner for champs to abuse their enemies), but it shouldn't be such a crap item, especially if you'd like to consider buying it first. There's currently no real early game counter to enemies who rush Randuins/Sunfire, but a little more AD would make Mallet somewhat compotent, even if it takes longer to buy.

SaltyKrackaJun 25, 20151 votes

Only if they nerf the ranged slow to half of what it currently is.

Fuck Gnar.

VicvictorwJun 25, 20151 votes

I've never felt the build path for it made sense after they removed Phage from the recipe.

Snake TownJun 26, 20151 votes

It's not very gold efficient but it is extremely slot efficient, late game its a great pickup.

Mob Psycho 100Jun 26, 20151 votes

Maybe if they lowered the Health scaling on it. Otherwise I think it's pretty fair at the moment.

VladReaperJun 26, 20151 votes

It's fine IMO, any buff would mean its eventual removal later. It's great for the right situation. Worked amazingly last game I was in when an enemy Zed was coming for me. Can't burst the mallet.

It may cost a lot but for only taking up 1 slot it's one of the better items out there.

CindikleJun 26, 20151 votes

Abilities usually have cooldowns. No permaslow.

This isn't new. Only thing that's really changed is that AoE's now have an effective slow. Rest is overall the same.

What you should worry about is all of the AP shifts making it an actual high end AP item. This becoming more viable.

Occams RaiserJun 29, 20151 votes

I made the suggestion that the ice should be an active. the drop the price

IceKingChernobogJun 26, 20151 votes

It's funny because if i needed some damage on voli, i usually get rylais....Frozen mallet is trash since the changed it's recipe

MiraweaveJun 26, 20151 votes

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Edit: Lol @ all the comments saying they don't want a permaslow when Mages are getting a** 40% AOE permaslow **next patch with Rylai's. The double standard of melee hate on this forum is so sad

Til most mages have 1 second cooldown aoe abilities.

kaykalosJun 27, 20151 votes

Dont try to convince them that the perfect kite is toxic It's pointless ! This game is balanced around this idea : Ranged champions or assasinds can carry games, meele dps (fighters)champions are not allowed to carry games even if they offer nothing much more than dps (yi , riven are assassins not fighters ). They dont want fighters to be competitive, they nerf fighters after a week if they perform well competitive. But if a assassin or a mage or adc performs well consistently it takes months to nerf them. That's why they allow perfect kite from range ( range-permaslow ), perfect kite is toxic at my opinion ! I want frozen malet to be meele only and i agree with the price reduction (I suck at english, I can only read correctly )