I feel like we don’t talk about both minion block and random minion AI as much as we should

HateDaddy·Oct 31, 2018·84 votes·17,474 views

Seriously. Minion block literally makes trading on any melee champion a nightmare. And it makes farming especially difficult, especially in a match-up where you know you’re going to deal with being shoved in early. On top of that, minion pathing and aggro is so fucked now. You can no longer predict how minions will line up to fight your minions, they just randomly botch up under tower and your minions start aggroing them weirdly as a result, so you end up missing a lot of CS under tower because of how fucked their AI is. These things make the game and lane phase incredibly frustrating when they are things that need to be fixed desperately.

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CatastrophicNov 1, 201817 votes

My issue is that one auto on the enemy champ provokes some minions to chase me to the fountain, while it seems to only mildly annoy others

Mecha IncognitoNov 1, 20183 votes

A problem that has been getting worse now is getting aggro from minions when auto attacking them even though they're already targetting other minions. Not sure how it got to this point.

FullmuteAll playNov 1, 201814 votes

Yeah minion block and minions themselves is one of the most hated things in the game for me. My ass is burning when I get a slap in my face, but trying to respond get blocked by minion , or I am about to kill, but fucking minions block my way and enemy manages to escape. Not to mention casual movement when you just don't take into account that this fucking minion will turn and block your way. Farming under tower is also annoying when they suddenly decide that this closest minion is not good enough to kill and they fucking run down the tower to kill that farthest minion who was (bullying them ? laughing at them ? what the fuck has he done ?)

EcophileNov 1, 20182 votes

That one made me laugh so hard!

[sg-miss-fortune]

The Space CowboyNov 1, 20181 votes

Those times you get pinned to a wall by your own creep to watch the enemy ults rain down on your head.

JaspersOct 31, 201810 votes

The minions targeting is so weird sometimes, I had a game top not long ago, was getting lots of pressure and just wanted minions to come to me so I could farm safely but no, this 1 melee minions went from attacking my ranged to attack a cannon, then back to the ranged then back to the cannon, not hitting either once. I think that tilted me more that my enemy.

Modl Ryden lOct 31, 20189 votes

As a bot laner, any laner really, it's so shit trying to manage a wave only to have your last hits be secured by a caster minion because 1 of the other casters or a melee decided to switch aggro to the next.

Maybe there was some kind of ninja nerf on last hit forgiveness again?

I want to say some value for last hitting was change. But it wasn't update for when minions know that your last hit was going to count. Then when you try to last hit, a minion that would have aided in getting you the gold, will switch aggro to the next minion near by. But really you don't get the last hit.

Or I'm just really bad at wave management.

RenownedWheat42Nov 1, 20186 votes

I never really had a problem with minion block till I started getting pathed into skillshots I would have otherwised doged because my champ decided to have a seizure in the middle of the lane instead of walking past a minion.

My problem with minion block, where I didn't have one before, is that - ESPECIALLY in a more aggressive meta - the boxes are particularly not well-enough defined. Sometimes when you think you should be clear of your minion's path, you'll both end up doing a freakin' balldance before you get where you were goin.

EcophileNov 1, 20185 votes

OMG! I do not mind minion block as much as minion aggro. I have tried to understand how it works, but sometimes it is just so random. I get targeted by a minion when im literally standing behind my wave and did not hit the ennemy champion at all. Or they just swap target randomly as if that other minion did anything worse than the previous target.

I would love to get some fix about it with some clarification on target priority from Riot.

knobblezNov 1, 20185 votes

I've questioned minion block soo many times. We are playing champions, and these are little fucking minions. Why are they able to body block a CHAMPION? Maybe subtract a hair of movement speed for the brush-by but completely blocking someone is crazy. Pretty sure a superhero could push through a couple humans standing side-by-side...

NichtHurzNov 1, 20184 votes

It just seems so random sometimes. 5 Casters lining up with gaps inbetween basically blocking 75% of the lane, but somehow not being able to walk between them, random aggro switches and super unreliable when aggroing champs and sometimes chasing them up their tower or stopping after one auto. Most tilting to me are the aggro switches...so many missed minions and so many missed kills because some melee minion decides to attack casters and block your skillshot.

Having minion block is totally fine and needed, but minions need to be way more reliable in their actions. In Dota 2 I'll always know how creeps will react to my actions and even if they are annoying sometimes, I never feel cheated because they decide to do random shit.

WoodenCreatureNov 1, 20184 votes

Nah bro Riot tried to convince us that minion block can express skill so they keep it this way.

Pika FoxOct 31, 20183 votes

In all fairness, if you remove minion block ranged champs would get a massive buff, as well as whoever is ahead in lane, as they could just sit ontop of the wave and deny everything.

NichtHurzNov 1, 20186 votes

Nobody in this thread even mentioned removing minion block. It's all about minions being more predictable and reliable in how they interact with their surroundings.

DU BaymaxNov 1, 20184 votes

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In all fairness, if you remove minion block ranged champs would get a massive buff, as well as whoever is ahead in lane, as they could just sit ontop of the wave and deny everything.

Why is this downvoted? It is exactly right. Minion block is a good thing - if there is no minion block, whoever is ahead in the lane can literally just sit on top of their minions and deny last hits with their character model. I guarantee you that these very discussion boards that criticize minion block so heavily will freak the fuck out if they actually take it away.

Curious KatNov 1, 20183 votes

I play Katarina and sometimes when i Shunpo to either a minion, or a dagger NEAR a minion wave, not even in it, but just NEAR it, i get stuck in this weird twitchy air shake thing for a solid 2-3 seconds until the minion moves or dies. And no it's not the "Kata Moonwalk". I know how to do that, and that is not the issue xD. It's like you get knocked up by blitz or some shit for 2-3 seconds, it's weird as fuck.

Like i understand good micro, and good positioning helps, but man, sometimes there is just shit like that completely out of your control.

ŚhunpoNov 1, 20181 votes

Yep. This happens to me ALL the time. I go to walk over a dagger and instead Kat paths around EVERY minion to get through.

ﬂooNov 1, 20183 votes

I swear to god, my melee minions dont give a shit about the enemy melees and suddenly run straight to their backline.. the furthest one behind as well

Jahsuo OnfroyOct 31, 20182 votes

it's so easy to avoid minion block if you have solid micro, literally is only a benefit rn

HateDaddyOct 31, 20189 votes

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it's so easy to avoid minion block if you have solid micro, literally is only a benefit rn

We must be playing a different game because my micro is fine plus I’m pinging 20 to the servers so lag isn’t an explanation.

Dat KatNov 1, 20182 votes

We do, they just tend to get ignored every time.

[sg-miss-fortune]

Judge StevenNov 1, 20182 votes

The amount of CS I've lost to minion block this season is staggering since I mostly play melee characters. Please fix this next season Riot, I don't want it to be a chore just to last hit as a melee.

ARGthe1stOct 31, 20181 votes

True, but its pronbably hard to fix the algorithim that the use already. Im sure they are working on a fix tho

HateDaddyOct 31, 20181 votes

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True, but its pronbably hard to fix the algorithim that the use already. Im sure they are working on a fix tho

Maybe but it seems it wasn’t too damn hard for them to mess it up.

Camille FerrøsOct 31, 20181 votes

This is pretty much my biggest pet peeve

ORlANNAGRANDENov 1, 20181 votes

Good thing i main riven.

HupsisNov 1, 20181 votes

https://webmshare.com/play/qwyw7

Yeah... working as intended.

VerandureNov 1, 20181 votes

Not just minion block -- has anybody else noticed that allied champions can block as well? You both moving into one another and just slowly veer off course instead of passing through.

Dr PoroNov 1, 20181 votes

I love it when minions are focussing the cannon minion, so I say, okay I can two shot that caster minion and suddenly one of my caster minions swap aggro to KS me. It seems like the minions have a smarter AI than the intermediate bots.

FatedSaviourNov 1, 20181 votes

on this topic i thought i might as well put this out here, why doesnt riot make cannon minions worth 2 cs visually to better indicate gold leads / gold value, hell 3 or 4 would be accurate, but on the scoreboard missing a cannon is as bad as missing a caster

Vlada CutNov 1, 20181 votes

Executed.

Blackii7Nov 1, 20181 votes

We lost hope. I have accepted the fact that they won't be fixed anytime soon because they are "too big of an update".

UninsTaliyahKidzNov 1, 20181 votes

I think minion block should stay the same for enemy champions but there's nothing worse then when your pushing a lane, have 30 of your minions following you and then the whole enemy team comes to gank so you have to waste a flash to avoid getting trapped by your own minions. What happened to the item that allowed you to walk thru minions? Why not make it so it has a cooldown instead of removing it completely.

Teemo GrompNov 1, 20181 votes

As a Bard main, I am sometimes near smashing the poor mouse in my hand. While Bard (Bard) is surely into music, he is not a ballet dancer, is he? But he walks back and forth, spins around, several pirouettes, and meanwhile the ranged enemy can auto attack me, probably laughing while I literally get killed by my own fucking minions.

In a point and click game, the AI should really be better than this crap. It's disgusting. The same with Teemo mushrooms. Why do the minions that walk down the straight line on midlane suddenly take that small turn to run into them? This bullshit should not happen, minions should be neutrally behaving, not manipulated.

FiloupinNov 1, 20181 votes

What should be done is simple. Unit collision should be provoque by obvious thing.... Like not your own minion, ally champion is kind of a grey zone where it ok to colide ally cuz they are not IA and if you colide well it 2 human action that made it so it your own fault the ally IA should not be able to handicap you. Summon minion and co should be ignore too. Only ennemy thing and ally champion should block you. There also the thing about ennemy minion not having the same reaction to you attacking a player.

Me fighting top with 600 hp 5 minion and my ennemy with 300 hp and 5 minion all minion in range of my E ennemy and ally. 1 of my minion attack him when all 5 turn on me when we just fight head on and literally flash in each other. Loosing a fight to IA rng when youve done well. Crit as been nerf cuz it

Also i think tower should just float in the air at this point a change like that would bring more pleasure to the game for both viewer and player instead of seing the same cardio thing going on again and again. People like the thrill and what more thrilling than seing someone in this situation with no physical tower in front of him and much more about how he can get out of the situation without it also being completly under might not be a good idea since it gonna instant touch.

5050BSNov 1, 20181 votes

I wish Riot would just revert the whole minion block crap. Its a fragment of a change they did and tried to do it under the radar. Players on the PBE didnt know what was happening but soon we figured it out and then Riot said nothing had changed.

GBkiwiNov 2, 20181 votes

When you get minion blocked to the degree your champ has a mini seizure on screen and your mad clicking to get him moving again

Mokuto BunshiNov 2, 20181 votes

I got RAPTOR blocked yesterday while I was going for a kill XD until then I didn't even remember those suckers had a hitbox! (I don't jungle much).

MarkedOfKaneNov 2, 20181 votes

When you bump into a minion and then your character teleports

https://i.imgur.com/XHKXY2U.gifv

R35URR3C710NNov 2, 20181 votes

You get a little tired of asking and just expect it to stay that way after 9 years of the same thing. Its always been bad, and got decidedly worse after adding the minion teleport to stop Heimerdinger turret blocks for minion tsunamis. I'm sure it'll get its fair share of bugs with the coming minion movement speed increase and cannon spawn speed as well. Anytime they tweak minions, it just seems to get worse.