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@Meddler, as a former Shen main i'm not understanding your plans

Ahristocats··12 votes·967 views

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i'm not understanding because you changed shen to make him ONLY good at ultying. His Q/W/passive were obviously changed to make him trash at laning phase

you removed his sustain, you removed his poke, all of this in favor of weird trading ability (long cd dodge and Q combined with bad attack speed unless you commit E which will kill you against many toplaners) And according to repertoir, they did this to make shen's laning phase garbage at the expense of him being able to help people with ult.

well, are you surprised by him being only good in organised play? YOU MADE SHEN ONLY ABLE TO DO THIS, and you're nerfing his ulti+ his Q again to 2% and 4% if you hit someone with the blade which will buff his 1v1, but nerf his laning phase presence because you can't all in eternally and use E to get Q bonus as/damage

honestly it sucks, the champ has 48% win rate above diamond, shen mains have ~~54% win rate on him which is bad if we consider what the mains of other champions can get. i get that you want to nerf him for the lcs because riot's goals are to balance everywhere

Thing is that you won't achieve that goal if it continues like this, as much as shen revolves around his ult like the rework planned to, he will only be strong in organized plays

-gH

23 Comments

Jbels6 votes

It's pretty fucking stupid that a champion that was average at best on live receives nerfs because Pro Play breaks it. Rest in peace Rek'sai

Melledoneus6 votes

He wasn't even broken, he was popular. There was nothing overbearing about Shen except that he prospers when teamwork is present.

Meanwhile, Lee gets to be Mr. Handyman and have whatever the hell he wants.

Arakadia2 votes

He was one of the healthiest champions that pros used often. Compared to Azir, Kal, Lee, LB, etc.

S0kaX3 votes

Just revert his rework and everyone will be happy.

Ralanr1 votes

Eh, I don't think we should support the sandbag power of old Shen.

Ahristocats2 votes

i don't think it's possible because old shen laning phase was as frustrating as jayce

however i do think they should make shen's current power similar to old shen, by that i mean limited ult (200 sec cd) and a strong selfish power (stronger base stats, and stronger power on Q/passive ect...)

-gH

Ralanr1 votes

I don't think you can really make his ult function on a kit with more selfish power, even if you do increase the cooldown massively. If you increase the cooldown, you might just make Shen Old Galio 2.0.

hhaavviikk4 votes

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i don't think it's possible because old shen laning phase was as frustrating as jayce

however i do think they should make shen's current power similar to old shen, by that i mean limited ult (200 sec cd) and a strong selfish power (stronger base stats, and stronger power on Q/passive ect...)

-gH

at the very least it would remove the gimmicky spirit sword and actually allows you to build AP, I liked that about old shen, you didn't just have 1 build, you could actually go AP, sacrifice ''permanent'' tankies with temporary tankynes from W with the AP scaling and increasing ult shield, now all there is is tank shen with the gimmick sword, to me all fun of shen got removed, all you do is AA and that's it

Ralanr1 votes

Considering the new Abyssal scepter, I can see Shen getting more AP in his future builds.

Melledoneus1 votes

If you can play him without being called a troll after this...

Ralanr1 votes

The new scepter gives 300HP dude.

Melledoneus1 votes

That doesn't change the fact that his magic damage is shit once he can build it and that the nerfs he's getting will put him at a really low win rate because he doesn't have a mid-game or late game anymore.

Ralanr1 votes

But it makes the magic damage of his allies better if I remember correctly.

Melledoneus1 votes

It doesn't matter if I can't even farm to get my first item, much less one that has lackluster stats for a tank with low HP.

BLACK REALM GOD2 votes

shens E is supposed to represent him dashing in front of a bullet or attack and snatching it out of the air right before it hits his ally.

the global R is him sensing his allies in danger and powering up to rescue them like goku during EVERY BOSS SCENE EVER.

the W is supposed to be representative of his ninja abilities to dodge attacks

the old Q was shoe horned in because he needed an offensive ability that reminded players of kunai throws. the rework Q is just stupid and even more shoehorned into the game because spirit swords are cool - just ask vegito, yu yu hakusho, and inuyasha.

this is a champion that was built around the idea of dodge and since dodge has been removed he's just a shell of his former self.

Ralanr3 votes

So you're saying that if it was just a sword on a chain it wouldn't be stupid?

BLACK REALM GOD3 votes

dragging a sword around in the first place is stupid. there's literally no reason that anyone can give as to why shen who's supposed to be a ninja is dragging a spirit sword around like some weird medieval pseudo japanese ironman competition.

the best explanation possible is to try and say that the sword is the equivalent of a mystic and has shackled itself to shen's soul granting him power like some sort of lame familiar from soul eater.

which is in and of itself just bizarre - especially considering the lore of the game.

at least the vorpal blade made some sense.

Ralanr1 votes

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThrowingYourSwordAlwaysWorks

Yeah. Some sense.

BLACK REALM GOD2 votes

exactly.

kunai and throwing stars arent actually designed for silent stealth kills with instant death throws either. they're actually designed to cut ropes, break windows, and to be used as melee weapons.

the more common throwing item is loose washers and coins for distraction.

at least the vorpal blade was a cliche tv trope and the idea behind it healing both him and his teammates was sensible considering he was a support tank.

Melledoneus2 votes

Vorpal blade made no more sense, but I'd rather him get something better. Spirit sword makes your opponent come to you, so chasing is difficult for Shen.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

i dont see why they dont give him an ammo count for his dodges and just give him a normal basic attack enhancement that pulls his spirit sword out. dodge is literally the equivalent of invulnerability for a single second. that's nowhere near as overpowered as people make it out to be on his kit. on someone like kayle who builds attack speed and has debuffs yeah it can get overbearing, but not on shen.

im thinking get rid of the spirit sword that he drags around for his W and just make it so that his W is a 1 second dodge that has a 120 second ammo refresh timer and has to be activated to work. it could have 2 charges at level 1, 3 charges at level 3, 5 charges at level 5.

you'd walk up to a group of enemies press E and then WWWWW and then E again. successfully dodging would grant energy.

Arakadia1 votes

You'd think an ability named vorpal blade would be an execute, considering it is all about decaptiation and all.

CromoZown1 votes

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honestly it sucks, the champ has 48% win rate above diamond, shen mains have ~~54% win rate on him which is bad if we consider what the mains of other champions can get. i get that you want to nerf him for the lcs because riot's goals are to balance everywhere

-gH

Definitely argeed with pretty much everything you said.
But this.... Yesssss!!!!!!!

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