You don't always need to waste a ban on Zed anymore

JavelinJoe··7 votes·627 views

For a champ who has been constantly below 50% win rate for a few months now, there are much better bans. Such as Tryndamere Yasuo Vayne Darius Gangplank Anivia Veigar KogMaw Soraka

You have many to choose from who tend to offer a whole lot more to the win chance than Zed. Zed is OK, but is shit when behind or vs a tanky comp. So use a ban on a champion who will still likely carry even if 0-9.

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Astôlfo5 votes

Outside of shit-tier ELO, some people ban him because he's just annoying as fuck to play against in lane.

Zero Skill Tank3 votes

So much this. Zed is beatable, but he ensures your midlaner, marksman and support are not playing League of Leggo this match.

Even if you lose to something actually broken that you could have ban out, it is often not worth the tilt you would get from laning against Zed with any puppet that doesn't straight up counter him.

adidas1 votes

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Outside of shit-tier ELO, some people ban him because he's just annoying as fuck to play against in lane.

Pretty much what nep2une said. he falls off outside of lane but imo his laning phase is just really rough to deal with in general.

Zero Skill Tank3 votes

I'd like to stress that this is not only about laning phase. If you are playing say a Sona or Alistar, sheer presence of Zed turns you into stun bot, who's only purpose is to disable Zed right after he ults. Until super-lategame using your abilities for anything else while Zed is alive just too often means a lost fight.

Handin Out Naps2 votes

Thats basically every other assassin tbh, your job as a support is to engage, peel, etc depending on team comp. Against an assassin the support should always be by their adc ready to exhaust and peel (which honestly zed is a lot easier to peel and exhaust). This isn't just a Zed thing, its called playing around team comps.

Drakylon3 votes

Frankly most of the time I ban Zed, it isn't because I think he's broken. He's just a pain to fight at most stages of the game, especially if I'm jungle (hard to gank and has a decently strong 1v2) or mid (just a pain to lane against). Also saving my ADC and support some grief helps.

Calabok2 votes

Fizz Yasuo IreliaZed

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Winrates dont matter when:

  • you cant explain shit about whats so good/bad about them.

  • you literally ignored the play/ban rates, as they are also important factors.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

champs worth a ban

Darius Ekko Evelynn Ezreal Fizz Gangplank Gragas Hecarim Jax Jhin Jinx Kled KogMaw Riven Rumble Twitch Viktor Vladimir MonkeyKing Yasuo Zac

Maximum Morde1 votes

Where are Soraka and Blitzcrank in your list?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

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Where are Soraka and Blitzcrank in your list?

why ban them?

Astôlfo1 votes

Probably because Soraka feels ridiculously fucking annoying to lane against because she will constantly just heal their ADC back, outsustaining you easily.

With Blitzcrank, it becomes "You stand behind minions or you die." essentially. No matter how good you are at dodging hooks, one successful hook on you or a teammate can be devastating, especially more so in a lategame teamfight. It's just incredibly irritating to play against.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

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Probably because Soraka feels ridiculously fucking annoying to lane against because she will constantly just heal their ADC back, outsustaining you easily.

With Blitzcrank, it becomes "You stand behind minions or you die." essentially. No matter how good you are at dodging hooks, one successful hook on you or a teammate can be devastating, especially more so in a lategame teamfight. It's just incredibly irritating to play against.

have people not learned of summoner 14 or item 3123 item 3033 item 3165

Astôlfo1 votes

Ignite has a cooldown of several minutes. Yes, Executioner's helps, but it's still incredibly irritating to play against. Mortal Reminder is a lategame upgrade and shouldn't ever be rushed. Morello's doesn't trigger until 35% health.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

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Ignite has a cooldown of several minutes. Yes, Executioner's helps, but it's still incredibly irritating to play against. Mortal Reminder is a lategame upgrade and shouldn't ever be rushed. Morello's doesn't trigger until 35% health.

you kill raka by all in her early with an agreesive high damage support (aka kill lane) go with a dive happy burst team comp and she dcant do anything to stop it.

Astôlfo1 votes

I'm not saying she's unplayable. It's just frustrating because unless you kill her or get her low enough to essentially force her to back, she'll just continuously heal the ADC back. And you can't always match a favorable teamcomp.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

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I'm not saying she's unplayable. It's just frustrating because unless you kill her or get her low enough to essentially force her to back, she'll just continuously heal the ADC back. And you can't always match a favorable teamcomp.

you use ignite on the adc so as you all in him her heals are less effective and you can kill him.

Astôlfo2 votes

Obviously? What I mean is, first of all, Ignite has like a 3m CD. Second of all, by taking Ignite, you lose out on either Heal, Flash, or Exhaust.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

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Obviously? What I mean is, first of all, Ignite has like a 3m CD. Second of all, by taking Ignite, you lose out on either Heal, Flash, or Exhaust.

1st off i never said "obviously" 2ndly i dont need exhaust on a cc tank hard engage support. like Leona Malphite

i can even play Sona going an ap support route and do enough poke and heal to make you not as effective as soraka and its about getting ahead if you can win your lane and put the adc of enemy at a disadvantage then no matter how much soraka heals they are behind and dont have the items to fight and trade.

Astôlfo2 votes

I meant you'd obviously ignite the ADC, so I wasn't sure what the point of saying what you did was. Did you think people would Ignite Soraka? lol

Exhaust is better for peel and against assassins. Sure, Ignite helps secure kills, but so does Exhaust. And Exhaust can also help deny kills extremely well, as well as ruin dive attempts.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

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I meant you'd obviously ignite the ADC, so I wasn't sure what the point of saying what you did was. Did you think people would Ignite Soraka? lol

Exhaust is better for peel and against assassins. Sure, Ignite helps secure kills, but so does Exhaust. And Exhaust can also help deny kills extremely well, as well as ruin dive attempts.

but we arent talking a team with an assassin we are talking whether or not in 132 champs that soraka is worth a ban

Maximum Morde1 votes

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Soraka because she's literally the highest winrate champion in the game(55.4%) out of ALL champions not just supports, enjoys a pretty damn high pick rate so its risky to let her through and is unfun to play against on the same level as Zed and Fizz for fun-factor when you are playing against them.

Blitzcrank isn't quite as out of line as Soraka, but hes just as unfun to play against, also has a pretty high pick rate, and if you let him through, you're gonna have a bad time.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

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Soraka because she's literally the highest winrate champion in the game(55.4%) out of ALL champions not just supports, enjoys a pretty damn high pick rate so its risky to let her through and is unfun to play against on the same level as Zed and Fizz for fun-factor when you are playing against them.

Blitzcrank isn't quite as out of line as Soraka, but hes just as unfun to play against, also has a pretty high pick rate, and if you let him through, you're gonna have a bad time.

to play vs blitz is easy wards ... use creeps to your advantage , play tanky all in supports who stand right in front of blitz and want to get grab to go ham on his adc . ...

Maximum Morde2 votes

Yes, and getting regular prostate exams, or getting your tooth pulled are easy too. That doesn't make them a fun, enjoyable experience.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7lAgqKd,comment-id=000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2016-09-12T23:31:24.354+0000)

Yes, and getting regular prostate exams, or getting your tooth pulled are easy too. That doesn't make them a fun, enjoyable experience.

hey with enough lube and enough pain killers anything can be turned into a good time !

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Vistha Kai1 votes

I may be playing less and less, but what the hell Tryndamere Vayne Gangplank Anivia Veigar?

Did I miss something?

PS. L2P against Yasuo already. There are better bans.

Handin Out Naps1 votes

Gangplank and Anivia are very ban worthy. The others are pretty meh.

JavelinJoe1 votes

it depends on what elo you are in also.

Vistha Kai1 votes

I could swear "Gangplank OP" was the last season's thing.

OneMustFall1 votes

I'll stop banning him when they give some counterplay to his ult instead of auto-killing ADCs after he gets a couple kills under his belt.

Mysticman891 votes

Really, bestbans is a pretty objective source of what you 'should' be banning. It can be a few days after a new patch before winrates/playrates adapt to players adapting to the patch, so occasionally theres an OP that might not make the top 6 by their metrics, but theres a pretty good chance that you don't know better either.

Player perception tends to mold bans a lot more than actual (consistent) power champs, so that why you get perpetual zed bans despite him having not been a statisical good choice of ban for a long time. (And meanwhile Janna is rarely ever banned, despite almost always being a good ban, if not the best ban statistically speaking.)

Calabok1 votes

Ban Zed 100%

Axe2Handle1 votes

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For a champ who has been constantly below 50% win rate for a few months now, there are much better bans. Such as Tryndamere Yasuo Vayne Darius Gangplank Anivia Veigar KogMaw Soraka

You have many to choose from who tend to offer a whole lot more to the win chance than Zed. Zed is OK, but is shit when behind or vs a tanky comp. So use a ban on a champion who will still likely carry even if 0-9.

Name champ that can carry 0/9.

JavelinJoe1 votes

Soraka Tryndamere Either they split push very hard or heal the fuck out of the team

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