No, Xayah and Rakan are Not OP Right Now

Çhåryzård··12 votes·13,748 views

I keep seeing these "Omg they are so op" comments and really, they aren't. It seems like people play a few games against them, don't know how the champions work and don't know how to fight them, lose, and then complain that they are too strong.

I don't think people really see the weaknesses these 2 champs have, even though they are clearly defined. They are just new champs that people don't get how to fight yet. These Xayah/Rakan QQ comments get annoying after a while so I'm just making a thread to hopefully show people how to fight them.

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Xayah is an adc that depends heavily on the feathers she throws into lane for damage. While she does damage with her autos too, these feathers are a big part of her kit and a lot of her damage comes from you not suspecting it.

Each ability cast gives her a couple feathers. Her E allows her to recall these feathers too her, ROOTING you if you are hit by at least 3 and allowing her to throw them out again. Early game her E has a 12-11 second cooldown.

Her W gives her a burst of attack speed and gives her extra damage on her auto attacks, while also granting feathers. Early this is on a 16-15 second cooldown. If she has Rakan with her, he also gets this bonus (but does not throw feathers obviously).

Her Q fires 2 feathers in a line towards a targeted direction, while like her other abilities also granting feathers. Targets hit after the first one taken 50% less damage. This is on a 10-9 second cooldown early.

Her ult makes her immune for a few seconds, and during this time she is able to move around. After those few seconds she throws a line of feathers on the ground in the direction she selected. This has a 140 second cooldown rank 1.

Her feathers pierce targets and will go through minions and champions.

**Countering **

Xayah has the POTENTIAL to chunk your health and do a lot of burst damage, but only if she plants her feathers well enough. Moving around in lane will greatly reduce her feather impact, while standing in 1 spot is just asking her to chunk you and root you to the ground. In lane you need to respect her feathers, ignoring them and not playing around them can result in damage you weren't expecting.

I've seen SO MANY PEOPLE try to stand there and auto attack me without moving in fights and it makes it SO EASY for me to E and get all my feathers on you. Do NOT run in a straight line towards me and try to move around.

Remember that her feathers ROOT you, not stun, so if you do get hit you can still cast abilities and fight until the root wears off.

I've seen some "she's immune 2 assassinz and it's not fair!11"

She is not immune to assassins. She's incredibly immobile. Her Ult makes her immune for a FEW SECONDS, and then she has flash. She has absolutely 0 abilities that will get her out of a fight besides her Ultimate. Otherwise, she relies heavily on her team to protect her.

Your botlane should make sure to put in chat when she uses her ult so you know what your window is for ganking, whether you are the midlaner of the jungler. Her ult cooldown at rank 1 is 140 seconds, that is a 2 minute and 33 second window for you to gank. Getting her to pop it defensively leaves her extremely vulnerable to ganking as she has no way to get out of the fight besides flash and relying on her support. During this time if she is CC'd and focused, she is dead.

If you are unsure if she's used her ult or not and nobody knows, ASSUME SHE HAS IT. Don't run in as Zed thinking "im gonna ult her" and then find out she has her ult to make yours completely useless. Don't try to dive her under tower as anyone if you're unsure if she has the ult, because then you're sitting under tower doing nothing and next thing you know you're rooted.

To be honest calling out when ults are used should be a thing people do already, but in her case knowing when her only ability escape is down is very helpful for successfully ganking her.

Once she has people in her face and her Ult is down, the birb has nothing else to do but flash or die.

Champions that are mobile will give her a tough time in lane as they can easily avoid her feathers. Slows work pretty well too, as she is already weak in the mobility department. Lucian Twitch MissFortune

^ All good choices. I'm not entirely sure yet who is BAD against her, so far I've seen it come down to skill or countering.

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Rakan as we all know is Xayah's boyfren so expect to see him down botlane with her some of the time. I've found him easier to counter than Xayah is, and he's actually doing worse right now.

Rakan is the support of the duo and works by becoming a distraction. Rushing into the enemy team, providing knockups and a charm, and then dashing back towards his beloved (or whoever is laning with him). He relies HEAVILY on his team (more than Xayah does) and will easily die in a fight if he's abandoned.

Rakan's passive periodically grants him a shield (which appears to be on a 40 second cooldown early according to the wiki but I may be wrong). This shield becomes stronger with level. The OTHER part of the passive is Lover's Leap, which allows him and Xayah to recall together no matter what part of the recall one of them is at. Hitting one of them disrupts BOTH recalls.

His Q allows him to throw a feather at a targeted direction. If he hits an enemy champion or epic monster, the feather comes back and grants him a heal that triggers after a few seconds or when he touches an ally. This has a 12 second cooldown early.

When he W's, he'll dash forward at a targeted direction and after a brief delay he'll knock anything up in the area around him (which is marked). This has an 18 second cooldown early.

His E gives him a dash towards an ally champion. Upon dashing to the ally he grants them a 3 second shield and this ability can be recast again in the next 5 seconds at no cost. He can use it on the same champion twice. If his target is Xayah, the range at which he can dash back to her is increased. This has a 20 second cooldown early.

Finally, his Ult grants him movement speed (50%, briefly being increased to 200% upon hitting the first champion and then decaying) and a charm. It lasts 4 seconds, and during this time any enemy champion he touches is charmed to him. Enemies cannot be charmed twice. 120 second cooldown on this rank 1.

Countering

Rakan is very mobile, however he runs into trouble when his enemy has a lot of zone control. People that make it hard for him to maneuver around lane give him problems.

He runs into more trouble early when he misses stuff. His abilities are on VERY high cooldowns early, with his primary source of engage being 18 seconds to cooldown and being a skillshot. If he misses, beat the SHIT out of him. Spank him around a bit. Make him regret it. He can't use it again to fight for another 18 seconds so harass him during this time.

His Q is his primary poke, and the range on it was actually shorter than I thought it'd be when I saw it. If you stay behind minions it's not too hard to dodge, but if he DOES get it and uses his E to bring it to his ally, then he has no way of shielding them and no escape for 20 seconds. So, once again, SPANK the SHIT out of him. Abuse the fact that his cooldowns are so high, but respect him when his abilities are up as he can easily jump in, knock up, and dash back to an ally for a shield. His W has a brief delay before knocking you up so it gives you a chance to avoid it.

If you're an adc and find his ult annoying, I've built this every game against him item 3139. Works like a charm (HAHAHAHAHAHA GET IT??? it's a joke. I made a pun). I pop dat shit when he ults me (or just whenever I need it in general) and continue on my way.

Some people that will work good against him Zyra - Incredible zone control, if you build this item 3116 and he engages he'll be sad. Karma - I've just found her to work good. Shield your ally when Rakan knocks them up, and then W him. You can use an empowered one of those for extra pizazz. Zilean - Like Zyra, great zone control, bombs are scary.

I just feel like they won't work well (this is just my opinion though) Sona - While she has heals and poke, she really can't do anything if Rakan engages pre-6. And even after 6, once she pops the ult she has nothing left. Annie - Like Sona, doesn't have much pre-6 to stop him besides a stun every couple abilities. You could try to poke him down but that's really it.

Every single new rework/champion update I say

"If you ban them every game you won't learn how to fight them" <--talking about norms

They have clear cut weaknesses and strengths and I actually feel like they're more balanced than other freshly released champions. Part of this may be though that people are still learning how to play them, just as people are learning how to fight them.

It'll take practice on both sides, but they're really not op. Just take the time to learn how they work and you'll be able to fight them easier.

29 Comments

Çhåryzård4 votes

The point of this post wasn't the winrates, I just threw them in there to have them.

The point of this post was to explain how these champions work and how you can counter them. Every single one of you missed the point entirely.

Salron3 votes

You explain how any champion works and how to counter them If I did that for Ivern, would that make him not overpowered? No.

Çhåryzård2 votes

No, it wouldn't, but the difference between Ivern and the new champs is that they are NEW and people don't have an idea on how they fully work yet. Part of the reason they are strong is because people don't know what they are doing against them.

Ivern has been out for a while, people know how to play against him, the problem is that he's just too strong and could really use some nerfs.

Çhåryzård3 votes

I feel like a lot of people downvote this without even taking the time to read because simply seeing "these new champs are not op" is enough to trigger them, because the mentality is that every new champ is op on release.

I didn't write this for the lulz. I did it to help people. At least read it.

Xilix202 votes

Well I really appreciate all your work on this it helps really much ......and ur right I 100% agree with u that the players must just finde a way to counter them and I believe it will come over time because the players will get bored of them and you must force on their moves and item build and I know if their teamed up it FEELS as if they are unstoppable but I sam that when you focus specially on xayah then rakan is going to protect her but when she is out rakan is basicaly useless if you and ur support is still alive me and my friend played against them I was playing ash and ge was playing twitch/teemo

Çhåryzård2 votes

If I made any spelling mistakes I apologize, I'm tired and I typed this fast

Salron1 votes

WOW new champions have low winrates on release Shocking.

And as far as winrates on release go, those are pretty decent

Jbels1 votes

I was going to read all of this, but I just can't after seeing yet another citation of op.gg's winrates for them (ON THE SAME DAMN PATCH THEY WERE RELEASED.) Winrates have been historically low for every champion that first comes out. Only real exception I can think of is Warwick, who had a pretty solid 49-50% winrate on release, and he hasn't really proven himself broken.

As for Xayah and Rakan, Xayah doesn't become a problem until you introduce Rakan into the mix. Rakan is VERY strong any way you look at him. Go into any champion select, and you'll see Rakan banned before Xayah every time. He's a slippery bastard, and incredibly good at what he does (being a god damned annoyance that disrupts your team during teamfights). He is WAY too good when paired with a top laner playing some form of hard engage champion (Like Naut, Gragas, literally anyone that can hard engage with a CC that Rakan can follow up on). This gives Xayah the ability to do what she's supposed to do, shred the shit out of people with her feathers (seriously, is she pulling those off of her body? Does she get more naked with every AA until she pulls them back?).

The reason why I say Xayah isn't a problem on her own right now is because even though she's strong at the moment, it's ONLY because next patch the last whisper items are getting nerfed, and armor is getting buffed. It'll be easier to itemize against her for tanks (You know, maybe Thornmail will actually scare ADCs like it used to?).

MissingKayo1 votes

Not enough conclusive data to prove either way. Dismissed.

Çhåryzård2 votes

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Not enough conclusive data to prove either way. Dismissed.

What data?

The only 'data' I mentioned was winrates and that wasn't even the point of this post.

MissingKayo1 votes

There isn't any data at all to sufficiently prove they are OP or not. Thus, the entire thread is obsolete.

Çhåryzård1 votes

If you had continued reading you'd see that this thread had nothing to do with them being OP.

The whole point of this was pointing out counters and explaining how they work for people who are having a tough time with them.

MissingKayo1 votes

You explicitly said they are not OP. You have no proof.

SirΤeemο1 votes

you got data from a site that's 90% inaccurate .

Slythion1 votes

not only that, but he took data collected over the course of only a few days (aka, hella small sample size)

I don't think he knows how statistics works

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

and almost every new champion has a wonky winrate at first because people didn't know how to play as or against them (usually the former)

Im A Jayce God1 votes

I was 10/2/8 top lane while the enemy Xayah was 8/3/2. I go bot lane to kill her, and Rakan never leaves her side. It was impossible for me to kill her all game with Rakan by her. I even had 50 more cs than her.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

Why should you 2v1 when xayah wasnt even behind? Im pretty sure you'd lose to every matchup with these odds

Im A Jayce God1 votes

No. Because the ADC is a glass cannon. Jayce can easily kill glass cannons in 1 combo. And adcs are almost always gonna be 2 levels behind the top/mid laners duo to having to share the exp with their support.

The thing was, was Rakan could charm, heal, shield, then after all those are off, I go to engage the Xayah and she ults being untargetable.

Qukslice1 votes

Maybe you shouldn't be 2v1ing then?

VivaLaKitten1 votes

I didn't bother finishing this post,

I'm only commenting because you brought up win rate

people need to stop acting like Winrate means anything

there are too many factors you have to consider in what won the game

someone doesn't just immediately win the whole game because they play a certain champion

GirlsWasteXp1 votes

Win rate definitely matters, but isn't the only factor. Over a large number of games all the variables even out like player skill, other champs in the game, ect and you can make an inference about a champion's power. Granted, champions like ryze are weak in solo q (40%) win rate, but super strong in LCS. It's one statistic to consider, but it isn't the only factor.

Çhåryzård1 votes

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Win rate definitely matters, but isn't the only factor. Over a large number of games all the variables even out like player skill, other champs in the game, ect and you can make an inference about a champion's power. Granted, champions like ryze are weak in solo q (40%) win rate, but super strong in LCS. It's one statistic to consider, but it isn't the only factor.

And I don't think it is. It's something I felt like I should include, but I don't think it means too much especially this early. From my own personal experience though over the past couple days it seems as though they aren't doing too well, more so Rakan than Xayah. I'd much rather ban Lucian right now as an adc than Xayah, and I've crushed every Rakan support I've fought as support myself.

The point of the post was to bring to light what weaknesses and strengths they have and how you can exploit them, but it seems like the mere mention of a winrate is enough for people to stop reading even though it's not even the point of the post. Probably just gonna get rid of that part of the original post because the whole point of this was for people to talk about how to fight them, not "oh op.gg isn't a good place 2 get winrates im gunna stop readng now"

Glîtchy1 votes

They're only broken when together

Lugg1 votes

Xayah is pretty close to balanced right now. We will have to see where she stands in a few weeks once people figure out some tricks and builds.

Rakan is definitely OP. He has a lot of CC and is very safe to play. Plus it's really hard to kill the ADC with him as support.

Remery1 votes

Honestly see both of these champs underwhelming and they seem to work on low elo/ players who have no clue what they do. From pbe to live i find it very difficult to win lane with him, all his offensive abilities are so short range that any bot lane combo can push you under tower.

His Q is way to short, to short to use it as poke and trying to use it puts you in danger, his knock up has a slight pause between him landing to the spot then knocking everyone in that area up, in that brief moment the enemy adc can tumble/dash away or the enemy support can fling/stun you and you either miss your engage and free for punishment or your knock up is completely canceled and opened up. Can't tell you how many times i missed my W because people simply walk out of it, not to mention it range is also short, don't know why he has such short range abilities and not be a MELEE support. Braum TahmKench pokes better than him and they are tanks.

Or you can make E and go that utiltiy route and now you offer almost no dmg in a 2v2 scenario the best you can do is hope your jgler ganks your land so you can actually land your abilties without the risk of dying.

With items item 2301 item 3117 item 3504 item 3174 item 3190 i can pretty much win my team every teamfight with the amount of nasty heals, shields, and a bit of dmg and 45% cooldown but i rarely get to that peak in games since losing lane for the most part means a 20-25min lost if every other lane sinks too. (I'm currently Plat 1 44lp atm)

Calabok1 votes

nerf em!

Bobbinson1 votes

downvoted as 70% of community is bronze-silver lul

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