Cait's Traps and Turret

Çhåryzård · 2016-07-09T15:27:53.063Z

Is it just me or are Caits traps under turret an issue? She can place as many as she wants as long as she has them to place (like if she has 5, she can place as many of those as she likes up to the max of 5), and they are untargetable. There's no penalty. Like invisible traps can be destroyed safely and are revealed under turret. Nids traps deal a little damage but it is up to her if she jumps in and if she does there's room for counter play. Azir's soldiers aren't traps but if I remember right their duration is decreased under turret but cost the same amount of mana to use. So why is Cait allowed to completely fill up your turret if she chooses without any penalty? Te only way to get rid of them is walk over them and then she can safely point and click shoot you from a distance. I get that she's supposed to be oppressive but right now she's pretty strong and being able to zone you out of turret without any penalty seems a bit too oppressive. Nobody else can do it so why can she? Like what if she was only allowed to place a few traps under turret? She can place as many as she wants anywhere else but under turret the amount she can put down is reduced. Jg ganks under turrets with lots of traps are also so much easier, seeing as you'll most likely get snared if you run. Idk, this feels kinda not right to me. Am I the only one?

AstôlfoJul 9, 201632 votes

Uh yeah, except most of those aren't as oppressive directly under your tower unless you have no minions there. Annie's probably not going to ult-combo you under your own tower, Blitz can't do shit if minions are in the way, you can easily pop GP barrels before he does, Malph does nothing except point and click slow hit thing under your tower, and Ryze can't do anything if minions are in the way.

Cait just sets up traps that are immune to destruction entirely and last an indefinite amount of time under your own fucking tower. And then if you step on it, you get caught and hit by a headshot that does massive damage.

DefendedJul 9, 20165 votes

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Uh yeah, except most of those aren't as oppressive directly under your tower unless you have no minions there. Annie's probably not going to ult-combo you under your own tower, Blitz can't do shit if minions are in the way, you can easily pop GP barrels before he does, Malph does nothing except point and click slow hit thing under your tower, and Ryze can't do anything if minions are in the way.

Cait just sets up traps that are immune to destruction entirely and last an indefinite amount of time under your own fucking tower. And then if you step on it, you get caught and hit by a headshot that does massive damage.

''Blitz cant do shit if minions are in the way''

I mean... Isnt the point to find a hook..?

''Annies probably not going to ult combo you under your own tower''

Says who..?

''You can easily pop gp barrels before he does''

Yeah i agree. But its still there

''Ryze cant do anything if minions are in the way''

Huh. You know he has a point and click root and thats all he needs right..?

AstôlfoJul 9, 20168 votes

Yeah except there's usually minions at your tower, which block Blitz's path for a hook.

Because unless you're a fool, you would respect Annie's ult range and stun indicator.

That argument means literally nothing.

Hooray he point and click rooted you. Now what? The root does almost no damage and his Q doesn't pierce.

DefendedJul 9, 20164 votes

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Yeah except there's usually minions at your tower, which block Blitz's path for a hook.

Because unless you're a fool, you would respect Annie's ult range and stun indicator.

That argument means literally nothing.

Hooray he point and click rooted you. Now what? The root does almost no damage and his Q doesn't pierce.

You know for someone who's bronze 4 you have a lot of stuff to say. That are completely wrong too

AstôlfoJul 9, 201618 votes

For a Plat, you're surprisingly bad at understanding. But okay, stay ignorant buddy ^^

DefendedJul 9, 20163 votes

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For a Plat, you're surprisingly bad at understanding. But okay, stay ignorant buddy ^^

You're one division from the worst rank in league. im 3 tiers above you.

AstôlfoJul 9, 201616 votes

And yet you still fail to understand something so simple. The difference in ranks makes that even more hilarious.

DefendedJul 9, 20164 votes

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And yet you still fail to understand something so simple. The difference in ranks makes that even more hilarious.

The best way i can put it is a bum on the street cant tell a business man what financially works and what doesnt.

No thats not a diss. Thats an honest comparison. If someone doesnt have any credibility to back them up, then nobody will believe what they say. I'm not even trying to be mean im just being 100% honest.

A bronze player telling anyone ''whats broken and whats not'' well nobody will believe them.

I agree with you there is a lack of counterplay when it comes to caitlyns traps, because i main caitlyn and theres usually nothing you can do except step in the traps and get headshotted.

But i also realize there are adcs like sivir who make sieging 100% impossible, Ashe who has the most utility out of any ADC, Jhin who kills you when hes not even on the map and Jinx melting a tank in about 1 second flat with 110% Splash damage and longer range than caitlyn by 50 before mid game.

As for Azir, When you hit maybe Plat 3? Azir is usually a #1 pick. As someone whos been on some gold to plat amateur teams, Azir is a #1 pick. As someone who watches the LCS Daily, Azir is a #1 pick/ban.

Azir is not fair, You can disagree. But i share the same opinion when i say azir isnt fair, because people whom are in Diamond to Challenger have also said this many many times. And id rather believe THEM than you, Especially because i see it for myself that azir is bullshit.

You wanna know who ELSE thinks azir is bullshit? Riot.

Riot said in their last post about balance that They're looking to nerf azir because hes overly oppressive in lane as to where hes supposed to be a hypercarry. Hint hypercarries are supposed to be weak early game, Azir isnt.

Not trying to really argue, just trying to say that i didnt think azir was broken either, until i actually watched him and fought him.

AstôlfoJul 9, 201611 votes

Except my rank being Bronze has literally no relevance when I'm quoting data from Plat+ games/using various data sites (League of Graphs, etc) across various ranks for actual hard proof? Or you know, according to you, I guess my vision just magically alters the numbers on the screen because I'm Bronze.

Also I never said Cait is OP. I just said her traps being able to be placed under towers is unreasonable, considering there's no counterplay to them really except stepping on them and getting headshot. I also never said no other ADCs are OP/too strong/too good at sieging/etc right now.

Azir is a popular pick in LCS. He is also very flashy and looks cool and does damage if you can do things. That is why people pick him, because they all think they can be that Faker/whatever other LCS pro. Except they really can't.

Also, I never said Azir is fair or not oppressive. He is very oppressive and unfun to lane against. He has extremely long ranged untargetable soldiers who can deal massive damage, mobility, an undashable ult wall that knocks back everyone it hits, instantaneous autos that make it easy to CS, so on and so forth. Laning against him is hell. However, even with all of his multiple upsides, which means he should be performing extremely well, every single piece of data says he's not doing well at all. That is the point I am trying to make.

Azir needs a rework as a whole, to adjust the overly oppressive/hellish laning experience he creates in early, while still being able to actually succeed and function in late game as he should as an AP Attack Speed Carry.

Do you get what I am saying?

DefendedJul 9, 20164 votes

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Except my rank being Bronze has literally no relevance when I'm quoting data from Plat+ games/using various data sites (League of Graphs, etc) across various ranks for actual hard proof? Or you know, according to you, I guess my vision just magically alters the numbers on the screen because I'm Bronze.

Also I never said Cait is OP. I just said her traps being able to be placed under towers is unreasonable, considering there's no counterplay to them really except stepping on them and getting headshot. I also never said no other ADCs are OP/too strong/too good at sieging/etc right now.

Azir is a popular pick in LCS. He is also very flashy and looks cool and does damage if you can do things. That is why people pick him, because they all think they can be that Faker/whatever other LCS pro. Except they really can't.

Also, I never said Azir is fair or not oppressive. He is very oppressive and unfun to lane against. He has extremely long ranged untargetable soldiers who can deal massive damage, mobility, an undashable ult wall that knocks back everyone it hits, instantaneous autos that make it easy to CS, so on and so forth. Laning against him is hell. However, even with all of his multiple upsides, which means he should be performing extremely well, every single piece of data says he's not doing well at all. That is the point I am trying to make.

Azir needs a rework as a whole, to adjust the overly oppressive/hellish laning experience he creates in early, while still being able to actually succeed and function in late game as he should as an AP Attack Speed Carry.

Do you get what I am saying?

In the other thread you said azir wasent op. Now you're saying he is? Make up your mind.

Also regarding your ''no relevance when im quoting data from plat+ games using various data sites''

No i said using win rates doesnt mean jack shit. Ryze has a 42% win rate right now but he is thought of as one of the most broken / unbalanced champs in this game. Have you laned against a ryze? Have you fought a ryze?

My point is dont use win rates unless they're above 53% because they really dont mean shit.

AstôlfoJul 9, 20166 votes

No, I didn't say Azir was OP here. Azir is not OP. He is oppressive, unfair, and unfun to play against in laning phase. This is different from being OP. He is still a terrible mid pick.

Yeah except Ryze has a low skillfloor/high skillceiling, and is trash unless someone has extensive experience on him?

But okay, data apparently doesn't matter I guess. Have fun staying ignorant. ;^)

DefendedJul 9, 20163 votes

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No, I didn't say Azir was OP here. Azir is not OP. He is oppressive, unfair, and unfun to play against in laning phase. This is different from being OP. He is still a terrible mid pick.

Yeah except Ryze has a low skillfloor/high skillceiling, and is trash unless someone has extensive experience on him?

But okay, data apparently doesn't matter I guess. Have fun staying ignorant. ;^)

''Azir is still a terrible mid pick''

Oh boy.... You can stay in your bronze 4 elo.. Im sure you wouldnt be able to climb out..

RageQ2Jul 9, 20168 votes

Division are become league of legends racism in a nutshell...

GayFluffyUnicornJul 9, 20166 votes

Don't try to argue with him. Nearly 500 games with caitlyn out of 1000 ranked games. He might be slightly biased.

VladTheMageJul 9, 201610 votes

Agreed. She also has long range, Q that goes through minions, targeted ult, outranges you and can't get abilities blocked by minions, and got a poke passive that does a lot of poke for you, besides the fact that she can prevent ganks by seeing and snarring your jungler.

ÇhåryzårdJul 9, 20164 votes

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Uh yeah, except most of those aren't as oppressive directly under your tower unless you have no minions there. Annie's probably not going to ult-combo you under your own tower, Blitz can't do shit if minions are in the way, you can easily pop GP barrels before he does, Malph does nothing except point and click slow hit thing under your tower, and Ryze can't do anything if minions are in the way.

Cait just sets up traps that are immune to destruction entirely and last an indefinite amount of time under your own fucking tower. And then if you step on it, you get caught and hit by a headshot that does massive damage.

They last 90 seconds but that's still pretty long and kinda unreasonable if they are under your tower.

And the fact that there is no counterplay except avoid them, step on them and get shot, or be Morgana and spellshield them is an issue if she is going to dump them into your tower.

That's why I was thinking the timer for them should be reduced so they cant sit in your tower for that long.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 9, 20165 votes

Well u see, usually Turrets should be something like a safe place. Currently turrets are more a decoration in the rift and being behind and getting sieged is difficult but you can make a comeback if they decide to dive you and fail. But with a Cait you get thrown back even more because you can't do shit against her traps (take into account that your team is already behind) so you basically have two choices: give up the turret or fight and lose the game. So you basically have to give up every tower just because the enemy picked caitlyn. Same applies to the opposite situation when caitlyns team is behind, just because she can spam her traps all over the place it's nearly impossible to get to a tower (when caitlyn is alive) without getting chunked down. It's just too much zoning power in such a low cost/spammable ability. Same reason why Azirs soldiers decay twice as fast under tower, because it is not even remotely funny to get poked down by azir outside of tower range.

ÇhåryzårdJul 9, 20164 votes

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Well u see, usually Turrets should be something like a safe place. Currently turrets are more a decoration in the rift and being behind and getting sieged is difficult but you can make a comeback if they decide to dive you and fail. But with a Cait you get thrown back even more because you can't do shit against her traps (take into account that your team is already behind) so you basically have two choices: give up the turret or fight and lose the game. So you basically have to give up every tower just because the enemy picked caitlyn. Same applies to the opposite situation when caitlyns team is behind, just because she can spam her traps all over the place it's nearly impossible to get to a tower (when caitlyn is alive) without getting chunked down. It's just too much zoning power in such a low cost/spammable ability. Same reason why Azirs soldiers decay twice as fast under tower, because it is not even remotely funny to get poked down by azir outside of tower range.

This too. I understand she's supposed to be a seige adc but she's a little bit strong..

DengedenJul 10, 20161 votes

Honestly ... good. If you're all clumped under your tower and aren't fighting for vision on your flanks, you deserve to lose. If you're clumped under your tower without a tank who can eat those traps, this applies even more. You're trying to 5v5 without a frontline. What the actual heck?

GayFluffyUnicornJul 10, 20161 votes

???? You do realize that if a tank in a team which is behind would walk over a trap he would be dead instantly?

DengedenJul 10, 20161 votes

I doubt that. They have tenacity and sustain. If it's a support tank, they'll have damage reduction or a shield. If it's lane tank, they have engage and the enemy team will get punished for tunneling.

GayFluffyUnicornAug 18, 20161 votes

You punish the enemy team when you are rooted, chain CCed and sit under their tower.... Which tank has sustain? Malph? Sion? Amumu? Nautilus?

DengedenAug 24, 20161 votes

Sure you do, the first tower shots do negligible damage, the chain CC is less potent and punishable because of tenacity and sustain is provided via items and grasp, not to mention a well-timed shield is effectively the same thing.

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20162 votes

What?

DefendedJul 10, 20162 votes

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What?

Gangplank barrels are good zone for melee champs

Malphite will tower dive Np.

Ryze will delete any squishy who gets near that tower and lose tower aggro within 1 second

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20163 votes

Malphite tower diving you and killing you? What? Did you stay with like 20 HP? I don't think you play top lane dude.

DefendedJul 10, 20162 votes

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Malphite tower diving you and killing you? What? Did you stay with like 20 HP? I don't think you play top lane dude.

No. Malphite ulting you at your tower giving his team a clean knockup to engage on while hes tanking but doesnt care beecause his passive is all free armor..

I dont think you play league dude.

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20163 votes

Are you talking team fights? We're talking siege not team fight dives at 20 minutes. Holy crap you can't be plat. That's impossible.

DefendedJul 10, 20161 votes

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Are you talking team fights? We're talking siege not team fight dives at 20 minutes. Holy crap you can't be plat. That's impossible. ~~~~

If you're sieging you are most likely with your team.... The only time i can think of sieging without a team is if you're lets say bot lane pushing ezreal up to tower if thats the case then your jungler should come kill that caitlyn.

???

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20162 votes

Except Cait siege in bot lane is the main issue, why can she zone all by herself without a team?

DefendedJul 10, 20161 votes

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Except Cait siege in bot lane is the main issue, why can she zone all by herself without a team?

If shes sieging a tower with her support against someone.... Then why is your mid laner and jungler not coming to get a sweet ass double kill...

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20163 votes

And then the mid laner pings MIA and the cait backs off because the lane is warded and we can't go over there to sweep, and we still can't do anything about the traps except step on them. Great plan dude :D

DefendedJul 10, 20161 votes

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And then the mid laner pings MIA and the cait backs off because the lane is warded and we can't go over there to sweep, and we still can't do anything about the traps except step on them. Great plan dude :D

You have a jungler for a reason. Literally all you have to do is shove the mid lane wave in and go roam bot. If bot lane is backing out then go take the free drag..

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20162 votes

And then cait does it again but there's no drag for 5 minutes

DefendedJul 10, 20161 votes

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And then cait does it again but there's no drag for 5 minutes

Then if cait continues to push to your fucking tower, your jungler should be 9-0. If your jungler cant help bot lane because their jungler is there also, then go get rift herald and focus top. If rift herald is gone and caitlyn and her supp and jungler are bot, Go focus on mid lane.

Literally the games not that hard. Yeah its frustrating when theres ''5 traps under your tower'' but you crying and complaining instead of taking actual advice i dont know man..

All i know is if a caitlyn is shoving my bot lane under tower they better have that fuckin shit warded because i will camp them and i will get a double kill with my favorite jungler. Elise

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20162 votes

And then what? Late game comes and oops, your bot lane is super behind because the jungler can't come do anything. You lost the next 3 team fights and lost the game.

MonkeyMadnessJul 10, 20162 votes

Cait traps are stupid. I was playing zac the other day and I started channeling my elastic slingshot. Cait must've spotted me with a ward, but instead of turning tail, she just threw a trap down between me and her as soon as I released the ability. It triggered WHILE I WAS IN MID FLIGHT and completely fucked me. Headshot, net, headshot, peacemaker and then the support came in and completely fucked me. That's not ok

DefendedJul 10, 20162 votes

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Cait traps are stupid. I was playing zac the other day and I started channeling my elastic slingshot. Cait must've spotted me with a ward, but instead of turning tail, she just threw a trap down between me and her as soon as I released the ability. It triggered WHILE I WAS IN MID FLIGHT and completely fucked me. Headshot, net, headshot, peacemaker and then the support came in and completely fucked me. That's not ok

So you're mad that there was actual counterplay to you jumping on someone from across the map.

ÇhåryzårdJul 10, 20164 votes

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So you're mad that there was actual counterplay to you jumping on someone from across the map.

No he's mad because he somehow got rooted while he was in the air, which doesn't make much sense

MonkeyMadnessJul 10, 20164 votes

thematically it makes 0 sense. same as jax triggering teemo shrooms if he jumps over them.

LordGeovanniJul 10, 20164 votes

you mean counter play like channeling the sling shot for upwards of 2.5 seconds and flying leisurely through the air

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