Meddler tell me why quinn has 525 range and vayne has 550 range

UdoIkOSc4u·Aug 1, 2015·11 votes·666 views

and vayne has the same ad like graves meanwhile twitch ad got nerfed like shit,instead of down vote please answer other wise you are the usual trash vayne mains

19 Comments

bad manner kidAug 1, 20154 votes

I can see it now

"Great news for Quinn mains who've been waiting years for Quinn's "birdy" attacks:

Quality of Life: ~~525 ~~ -> 150 auto attack range to ensure her animations don't cancel.

Good luck on the Rift!

Phoenix Kotori Aug 1, 20151 votes

I really wish I knew the answer to this it's one of the most confusing things how Quinn was deemed ok at 525 range, but miss flat + max hp% true damage is just fine at 550 range it make no sense.

inb4 but Quinn has reach beyond her autos!!!

Yea her Q which is mostly for CC not damage and is skillshot unlike condemn. Or her E which puts her in melee range for a half second.

Also Quinn has to work for her bonus MS, while Vayne just has to run at you.

ModWulf HelhammerAug 1, 20151 votes

If you're only using Quinn's blind for the CC, then you're not playing her right. That thing can pack a punch

Phoenix Kotori Aug 1, 20151 votes

Compared to Condemn though it does **low **damage.

Which does 90-370 (+ 100% bonus AD) as long as Vayne gets the stun.

While Quinn's Q does 70-230 (+ 65% bonus AD).

ModWulf HelhammerAug 1, 20151 votes

Sorry, you're numbers are wrong (and if she gets the stun? That's conditional)

Condemn deals 45/80/115/150/185 (+50% bonus Attack Damage) when it hits. * If * the Vayne gets the stun, it deals an additional 45/80/115/150/185 (+50% bonus Attack Damage). Just because they are part of the same ability, it doesn't mean they add together cumulatively. Each separate damage event is modified due to armor and other defensive stats.

Blinding Assault deals 70/110/150/190/230 (+65% bonus Attack Damage) (ignoring the AP ratio), all the time, every time, as long as it hits, in an area around the impact. A single Quinn Q out damages a single Vayne E, if the two champions are even in stats. * IF * (and only if) Vayne gets the stun, then she deals more damage then a Quinn Q

Phoenix Kotori Aug 1, 20151 votes

Quinn has to land a skillshot for any damage, Vayne does not. Vayne out damages Quinn by dodging.

Vayne gets a higher reward for properly using the skill than Quinn does.

AoE lol it's one of the tiniest AoEs in the game you almost never hit more than 2 champs with it.

Each separate damage event is modified due to armor and other defensive stats.

Aside from item 1054 and Unyielding taking a few extra points off (2-8), being counted twice doesn't really change the total damage at all.

IcyPepperAug 1, 20152 votes

inb4 but Quinn has reach beyond her autos!!!

I mean, sure Quinn could use some buffs, but at least that's Vayne's main weakness.

Would Quinn be broken with 550 or 575 range?

Phoenix Kotori Aug 1, 20152 votes

Quinn has minimal reach beyond her Autos, she's no Graves, Lucian, Sivir, or Ezreal. She's more like draven who sites at 550 range.

So no I don't think 550 range would break her; 575 would be pushing it though since 575+ is typically for immobile carries or carries who trade off some damage for safety.

ModWulf HelhammerAug 1, 20151 votes

Oh look, the resident Vayne complainer is back

UdoIkOSc4uAug 1, 20152 votes

{quoted}

Oh look, the resident Vayne complainer is back

-Vayne main

ModWulf HelhammerAug 1, 20151 votes

I have played Vayne maybe twice (?) in my entire time playing. One of those times was a bot match, the other was a custom game against a friend. I am an ADC Quinn main, by the way, but I can't stand idiotic complainers (such as some people that shall remain nameless)

UdoIkOSc4uAug 1, 20153 votes

{quoted}

I have played Vayne maybe twice (?) in my entire time playing. One of those times was a bot match, the other was a custom game against a friend. I am an ADC Quinn main, by the way, but I can't stand idiotic complainers (such as some people that shall remain nameless)

than post a real answer instead of say the resident complainer what it even means lol

Phoenix Kotori Aug 2, 20151 votes

Bump because we need an answer, riot has never given a reason for this.

CindikleAug 2, 20151 votes

Her range is fine overall.

The idea is that she's such a strong lane bully she needed a drawback.

And she still does well. Her problems come after lanning phase. Which an extra 25 range is not going to fix outside of making her toxic in lane. Followed by nerfs.

Dr PoroAug 2, 20151 votes

Quinn is already pretty good at top lane. She's a marksman, but not all marksmen are supposed to be played in bottom. Quinn is obviously a lot different from other ADCs. Her ult turns her into a melee champ and even without ult her range is lower than most other ranged champs. However, in top lane, where she outranges the melees, she does pretty well. Her stats and damages are better than most other ADCs because of her low range, but her range is still great vs melee.

Phoenix Kotori Aug 2, 20152 votes

However, in top lane, where she outranges the melees, she does pretty well.

Yea so well she's literally never won an LSC tier competitive game in top lane or at all, ever. And I mean her 0.62% play rate top shows how great a top laner she is when even the most hardcore Quinn players can't get a 50% win rate with her in top lane.

Her stats and damages are better than most other ADCs because of her low range, but her range is still great vs melee.

How is her damage better than Vayne in anyway?; it's not. Condem is better than her Q, Tumble is more reliable than her passive, and silvers bolts and her higher AD and AD steroid will ensure Vayne is dealing more on top of that. Vayne can fair nearly as well top lane and gets much better scaling. Her ult's damage is weaker than jinx ult by a wide margin.

Her "stats" oh you mean +35-69 hp, -2-7 AD. +4.4-6.1 armor, +5 MS, +.01 Base AS, & -16% AS growth somehow justify her having less range than Vayne? LOL You're kidding right?