Nani?
You're nerfing 5 or 6 adc build because of a single problematic champion, what the heck
completely stupid meanwhile Jinx has 55% win rate and 18% pick rate, let's nerf 
no really, this is not a good change to any sane person...
Krofinn3 votesBecause it's borken.
[sg-ahri-2]
Ragnaveil1 votesIdk if I just want to end my soul for reading that pun or not.
Daddy Ants3 votesIt's not just BoTRK being nerfed.
Due to the price increase in 
all upgrades are going up by 100 gold.
Including Gunblade.
Pokemonred2004 votesonly Gunblade's combine cost is going up. The total cost remains the same.
D357R0Y3R2 votesthat's still a nerf to katarina akali ahri I guess
FOR JUSTICE1 votesKat yes, But akali can get away with it with that bruiser build thats been resurfacing, and ahri can switch to glacial augment GLP build.
Martician1 votesMind telling me what the bruiser build for Akali is? Picked her up recently and wanting to play all builds she can use.
FOR JUSTICE1 votesBasically you run conq, but go ad with things like trinity force, titanic hydra, steraks gage, etc
Ragnaveil1 votesAnd for good reason: Its very efficient atm.
MankeyMadness1 votesIt's not just BoTRK being nerfed.
Due to the price increase in
Including Gunblade.
Wow a 100g nerf, Vayne has to kill an extra cannon wave before buying a 100 magic damage + free targeted slow! Such huge nerfs!!!
This doesn't hit Vayne or other ADCs much at all, just gives a more reasonable combine cost for a potentially very strong item.
Not reducing the combine cost on HTGB to make up for it is great too; Gunblade is disgustingly strong already. Fun fact Gun Fact: Gunblade has double the stats of its components.
Sir Saltarin3 votesI swear to the goddes that MF has to be one of the champs that gets more indirect nerfs in this game holy shit.
Why couldnt they just nerf Vayne, oh and press F for Varus btw.
Ragnaveil1 votesThis also nerfs another certain someone that I remember the boards complaining about until Vayne took his place: .
Sir Saltarin1 votesBecause Lucian was overbuffed since Worlds patch, and he was broken for months until they finally nerfed him.
Ragnaveil1 votesThe nerf they gave him barely did anything. The buffs Vayne got allows her to bypass him, and Jinx will outscale him the moment she gets first zeal item after IE (which is Hurricane).
Sir Saltarin1 votesThe nerf they gave him barely did anything
Yeah, about that, I think that you are wrong.
Maybe we can ask OP since he's a high elo Lucian player how much did the nerfs matter.
D357R0Y3R1 votesThey nerfed Lucian's ability to start W lvl 1 and braindeadly asset a no-counterplay high damage (80 magic damage) poke that also procs mana flow band
Lucian since then had his win rate dropping from 53% to 48% and his pick rate dropped from 30% pick rate to 21%
Lucian does not need nerfs
ModWulf Helhammer3 votesWith the exception of Kog’Maw and maybe Kalista, all those champions have good alternative build paths.
The point of nerfing Bork is to make Vayne weaker in early game, as it will take her more time to hit that power spike.
Likewise, it will make sure that other carries that build it to negate a weaker early game won’t have as easy a time of doing it.
And as a third benefit, it helps tanks as carries that build it late game will have to take more time before they get %hp damage.
Sir Saltarin1 votesWith the exception of Kog’Maw and maybe Kalista, all those champions have good alternative build paths.
I dont think you know so much about how ADCs build tbh
Has a massive synergy with BotrK due to his passive, the items suits him too well so he has been balanced around having that massive 1 item powerspike, Lucian wont drop the BotrK to start with a dogshit as first item ER, he will buy a worse BotrK because he exactly doesn't have a good alternative build path.
Neither has a good alternativa, she either gets ultrafeeded and can rush IE or she's forced to go BotrK, dont even bother about ER, it's worthless as first item.
Basically same situation as Ashe, he can only skip the BotrK in the games he gets a huge leas before the first back, on the vast majority of the games he goes BotrK and it wont change with the nerf, it will be the same but worse.
For Varus I'm just gonna say F, because he is already weak.
She's the most recent BotrK user with a build that has been discovered some months ago, as a MF main I'm gonna still play PtA and rush BotrK with the nerf because the option of going full lethality with a gutted DarkHarvest seems still worse.
D357R0Y3R1 votesNo, BORK nerf is a HUGE NERF to twitch
nothing else gives him a decent spike at 1 item
but you acknowledge that kog gets nerfed for no reason give me my buff compensation then
Sir Saltarin2 votesDon't bother, he maybe thinks that champs as Lucian or Ashe can drop the BotrK and start ER LUL
Gameplay Boards when it comes to ADCs builds is exactly what I expected.
Febos1 votes[{quoted}](name=Wilk Łucznik,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gsMhjLts,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-04-02T21:54:47.517+0000)
The point of nerfing Bork is to make Vayne weaker in early game
Yeah... no. I don't think that's the point of the 100g nerf on Cutlass currently on PBE. If they wanted to nerf Vayne, they'd hit her directly, not with a 100g indirect "nerf" and 100g is just one extra wave.
Cutlass, as it is right now, is 83% cost efficient without accounting for the active; BOTRK is 77%. As a comparison, Zeal is 81% cost efficient (pricing the movement speed at 225G) and Phantom Dancer is 76%, also without its passive. After the change, BOTRK will become 75% cost efficient. Unlike BOTRK, the other Cutlass upgrades will remain at the same price.
It should be obvious by this point. The target of the "nerf" isn't Vayne. If they want to nerf Vayne they need to do it directly. Currently, she is currently the most popular ADC and with a solid performance. Funny enough, her win rate before 20 minutes is way below 50%. This means she already has a bad early game, so she doesn't need a "nerf", direct or indirect, for that.
Hethalean1 voteswow what great commentary. definitely not limiting their contribution to the conversation as "It dumb!!!". Quality content here.
D357R0Y3R2 votesWhat do you need a commentary to have, more than "they're hitting champions who do not need to be hit because of a single one"
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boricCentaur11 votesIt was buffed to help adcs during the crit rework but now crit has been reverted and no many adcs take it so it just makes sense that it should go back down in power. Also love that you act like jinx is op when you have no games played on that account it is almost like you do not play the game and your just look at stats since you just want to say reeee about something with no reason other then just saying "its not broken but also nerf this champ since they have high winrate and that much mean something is broken" pls give a reason and not just nothing pls.
Daddy Ants3 votesIt was buffed to help adcs during the crit rework but now crit has been reverted and no many adcs take it so it just makes sense that it should go back down in power. Also love that you act like jinx is op when you have no games played on that account it is almost like you do not play the game and your just look at stats since you just want to say reeee about something with no reason other then just saying "its not broken but also nerf this champ since they have high winrate and that much mean something is broken" pls give a reason and not just nothing pls.
Jinx is OP though.
I'm a 557k mastery 7 on Jinx.
boricCentaur11 voteslet me clear up my point since I think you misunderstood sorry my bad.
My point is not about jinx its about how the reason was only winrate when that is not a reason but a indicator that something may be good and he also gave no reason as to why bork was not broken. If jinx did not have a high winrate this person would of never said jinx is op and to me that is a act.
D357R0Y3R1 votesIt was buffed to help adcs during the crit rework but now crit has been reverted and no many adcs take it so it just makes sense that it should go back down in power.
No it doesn't LOL How the hell do you nerf an item just because it got buffed when other items got nerfed, and said items got buffed again BORK isn't more op than crit BORK is built on champions who do not need nerfs
Also love that you act like jinx is op when you have no games played on that account
Not only you're bringing an Ad hominem argument, but it's funny for you to think that I actually play on this account
55% win rate balanced champion, said no one ever
boricCentaur11 votesBork was ONLY buffed to help adcs if the reason the item was buffed is gone it does not need to be that strong anymore that is balance also if most adcs build bork first maybe there is a problem.
Im not using a ad hominem since it has something to do with my argument since it shows you do not play the game and that leads into my argument that you are just listing stats and using them as a reason when there not reason since you just want to complain about something. If I said you do not play the game so bork is broken then that is a ad hominem but I did not do that I give a reason for bork to be nerfed then I used that part as a transition into my next part about how you don't give a reason.
SO again winrate is not a reason it can be used to support a reason but is a not reasons since all winrate is how much a champ wins not if there good or bad so how about you play the game and give a real reason that jinx is op and bork should not be nerfed
D357R0Y3R1 votesBork was ONLY buffed to help adcs if the reason the item was buffed is gone it does not need
Except they do, because many of those champions are garbage and rely on BORK 1 item powerspike to be decent
it shows you do not play the game
Guess what, I do and 80% of the people here know that I do, so you're either going to accept that you fucked up or just going to go with the absurdity that I'm posting on this website while not playing league for fun.
and that leads into my argument that you are just listing stats and using them as a reason when there not reason since you just want to complain about something.
Listing stat is enough as an argument when it's 55% win rate and 18% pick rate
have an example of a champion who had similar stat and didn't get nerfed?
let me think ivern sona janna Kayle Irelia on release
oh boy, they all got nerfed!
boricCentaur11 votesFunny that most adcs in pro play take bork first and are what you called garbage.
Did you even read my post? Since if you did you would know why I did that. Im also 100% sure you just spend your time looking at stats.
All those champions got nerfed and guess WHAT THE REASON WAS NOT WINRATE it was because they were strong, correlation does not mean causation WHY did sylas get nerfed he had no high winrate and he was nerfed two patchs in a row and the riot gives is NEVER winrate for nerfing a champion. Listing stats is never enough in this case since they are a indicator not a reason since there are too many variables in it since all it is telling is how much a champion wins not if there good or bad.
Sir Saltarin2 votesJinx is broken on soloQ bruh, acept that
boricCentaur11 votesThat is not my point. my point is about how there is no reason for jinx being op since winrate is not a reason.
The thigh guy1 votesBork needs a nerf anyway. The item is too strong.
It’s insanely good against tanks, while being insanely good into squishies at the same time. Tbh, there is no reason to build any other lifesteal item over Bork.
Anime Fizz1 votesLucian needed a nerf anyway.
If someone like kog or varus becomes too weak then just buff them, bork nerf is fine.
Titanium701 votesI mean... the fact alone BotrK is a viable Item on MF should be enough reason to nerf it! xD
Sir Saltarin1 votesIt's what happens when the "reverted" ER as first item is dogshit and Lethality items have been nerfed so hard aswell.
DarkHarvest is trash aswell so going pure nuke isn't viable anymore too.