Zero point to playing a duellist top whos not Fiora or Camille

Hibeki··1 votes·1,066 views

I mean seriously, when so much of their kit is based on universal damage and free stats how am I supposed to compete.

Fiora will consistently do a ridiculous amount of your health in true damage and same with camille. Them getting behind means nothing because of their universal damage, and they just get harder to kill when ahead.

You cant LOSE lane as either of these two. Both of them are in essence, just, stat check. I can't outplay the amount of free stats.

I just had a riven game where we camped the enemy fiora and shes 2 levels below me 1/5. And I still cant beat her in a 1v1.

Can we talk about how theres zero outplay potential to fiora's passive? If she hits it, it refreshes immediately. And if you back off and wait for the timer it.....refreshes immediately? How is there counterplay to that? If she doesn't hit the passive it should be disabled for a period to actually give me a chance to act.

Why does fiora get rewarded for blocking nothing? W has massive power to it, it blocks CC and all damage and can reflect the CC into stuns. Not only that, even if you don't block anything, it still has the highest attack speed slow in the game which can win trades by itself. Did I mention the movement speed slow too? What can't this move do?

Camille...Dont get me started on camille. It turns ANY auto attack damage into true damage, this includes trinity force and all on hit effects. I would actually be somewhat ok with her kit if it didn't come with a 1600 range gap closer.

1600 range?? Thats the highest of any non channeled non conditional gapcloser IN THE GAME, yet it has FREE STATS attached to it. ITs got a sizeable stun and...an attack speed boost? This thing can hit you in the center of lane from fog of war and its disgusting.

To list off all the free stats on each

Fiora - Movement speed and health on vital hit for no reason, attack speed and movemnt speed slow on W for no reason, movement speed on R for no reason

Camille Movement speed on Q for no reason, Converts ALL damage on auto not just base auto to true damage for no reason, Attack speed on E for no reason, increased range on E for no reason, Maximum hp damage on W with a heal for no reason, Maximum hp damage on hit with R for no reason

Its just insane. I have to OUTPLAY even the WORST of the players to have a chance of winning a fight.

8 Comments

Vekkna2 votes

You're leaving out all the other champs with way more free shit than those two.

Jax Garen Darius DrMundo JarvanIV Kled Yasuo Tryndamere MonkeyKing

Relatively speaking, the free stats on those two are actually rather minimal in comparison.

Hibeki1 votes

Explain how much free stats these people have? You have to be joking.

Tryndamere's only free stat is ad on Q as a passive stat

Wukong has no free stats, his Q doesnt do basically anything without the armor shred, and his E doesn't do basically anything without the attackspeed boost

Jax has some free stats on R, but thats it

Garen only has free stats on W but its so minor that he has to get 160 cs to reach full stats

Darius' only free stat is armor pen on E, but thats basically necessary to win against other tanks

Mundo has a ton of free stats, but I also find him way easier to kill than Fiora or Camille.

Jarvan? Free stats? The only parts of his kit that give free stats are parts that dont do literally anything but give stats

Kled has no free stats, Literally every ability is sole focused with nothing extra tacked on.

Yasuo? Passive is the only ability with free stats and yes its broken. Hidden interactions on the other hand...

Vekkna1 votes

Jax aspd passive, armor and MR ult, free damage on W after invulnerability Garen health regen passive, speed on Q, tenacity and resists on W, armor shred on E, and true damage on ult (which isn't a stat, but you seem to think it is) Tryndamere free crit, free AD JarvanIV free attack speed for him and his entire team Darius free AD on passive, and LOTS of it, along with armor pen Kled Literally gets all of his bonus health back because reasons? And two passive iframes, one of which gives him complete immunity to lethal burst damage. MonkeyKing free resists on passive, free armor pen on Q, free attack speed

You're objectively wrong, fyi, so there's no point in arguing. Just find a new way to complain about Camille and Fiora in a way that's actually true. There are plenty of legit complaints, but free stats isn't one of them.

Hibeki1 votes

Having abilities designed to give stats does not mean its free stats. You aren't smart are you

Free stats are stats as a bonus on an abilitiy that has no reason to have them. An ability that has a full purpose and is given 1-2 bonus stats is free stats.

Free stats for a passive is called a passive

Even if what you said were correct fiora and camille still have more free stats then any of them.

Vekkna1 votes

You mean like a dash with attack speed on it? MonkeyKing Or a bunch of free AD on a bleed? Or a free Last Whisper on a hook with a slow? Darius

You're just embarrassing yourself. Try reading tooltips or something before saying the dumbest things on the internet.

Hibeki1 votes

the irony of this statement. If you had any reading comprehension youd see i already addressed this crap

Vekkna1 votes

You dismissed it because it nullifies your thesis.

Hi lm Zoe1 votes

Just play Teemo

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