Maokai was nerfed for the same reasons that Jinx needs to be nerfed. (Patch Rundown 5.17)

metaworldpeace10··13 votes·1,935 views

Before I'm downvoted, please read the reasoning behind the title and watch the patch rundown, it brings a lot of information that needs to be applied to all roles with the "Maokai" issue.

In the Patch Rundown of 5.17, the guys talked about how Maokai was "uncounterable" and generally a safe blind pick in the competitive scene. I feel Jinx is the same way in Solo Queue. Zirene mentioned the safety of picking Maokai based on his own experiences. If he was forced to top and go away from his jungler role, he used Maokai. Jinx is the "Maokai" for a lack of a better term of the ADC role. If your're first pick and you are forced into the ADC role that you're unfamiliar with? Pick Jinx. Are you a seasoned ADC veteran who is looking to carry a game? Pick Jinx. There really isn't a bad time to pick Jinx. Her counters have been nerfed and on top of that she has the utility of Caitlyn and a late game that rivals Vayne. Why would you not pick her?

Like Maokai, who is safe and brings everything a top laner would want/need (sustain, dmg reduction, utility and CC lockdown) Jinx brings OODLES of power to the table that ADC's drool to have (AS steroid, aoe %hp execute, AA range steroid, waveclear, conditional movespeed boost and utility in forms of a snare and a powerful reveal slow). Because she brings all of this power and has the early game safety of a Caitlyn, while enjoying the late game power of Vayne KogMaw she needs to see changes. She's crowding out picks like Caitlyn Lucian Graves Twitch because of how "safe" of a pick she is. While Jinx has basically no mobility besides a conditional steroid, I'd argue that she's still safer than Lucian because of her superior range, CC and range steroids. You can punish even Caitlyn early game with the stupid AoE rockets that cost little to nothing.

I'm not here to advocate the "nerf, until death" but Jinx needs some changes. She's crowding out picks because of the sheer power her kit brings, while scaling harder than the majority of the ADC roster. She either needs nerfs or Lucian Twitch Graves Caitlyn need buffs. You choose.

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disregardable8 votes

You can punish even Caitlyn early game with the stupid AoE rockets that cost little to nothing

Not really. Early game 6-7 rockets will take out half your mana, and it will take much longer to regen that than it took to use it.

If she was crowding out picks because of her power, she wouldn't have gotten buffed last year. She wouldn't have been barely noticed last year. The fact of the matter is that before the Lucian, Corki, Twitch, and Ezreal nerfs (all the way back in Season 4), no one cared about Jinx. Because she is easy to shut down. Jinx's kit is not the problem. The problem is that Riot nerfed all but 2 ADs into the ground.

Niaphim1 votes

Jinx has 245 base mana, so it's 12 rockets without any mana regen. She spends 20 mana per rocket. Assuming she doesn't fire them instantly and only trades 1-4 rockets per trade and there is a delay between trades (~30 seconds) her rockets are almost infinite. Unless you dump all your mana using your other skills, or course. But everyone else except Cait will also use their skills to respond and will be oom much sooner.

Godaren1 votes

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Not really. Early game 6-7 rockets will take out half your mana, and it will take much longer to regen that than it took to use it.

If she was crowding out picks because of her power, she wouldn't have gotten buffed last year. She wouldn't have been barely noticed last year. The fact of the matter is that before the Lucian, Corki, Twitch, and Ezreal nerfs (all the way back in Season 4), no one cared about Jinx. Because she is easy to shut down. Jinx's kit is not the problem. The problem is that Riot nerfed all but 2 ADs into the ground.

Caitlyns also a pretty poor example since that is jinx's best lane she should always win that and outscale. Agree with you about the nerfs to other adcs

metaworldpeace101 votes

[{quoted}](name=Crazy for Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gohtm9kd,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-09-02T15:25:47.076+0000)

Caitlyns also a pretty poor example since that is jinx's best lane she should always win that and outscale. Agree with you about the nerfs to other adcs

Jinx should not be able to be a lane bully and also a hyper carry at the same time. That's not good design and it crowds out picks.

Godaren1 votes

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Jinx should not be able to be a lane bully and also a hyper carry at the same time. That's not good design and it crowds out picks.

So can Viktor Vayne And Azir? Not saying they are healthy for the game but just saying jinx isnt alone She isn't a lane bully either most other adc's are just weak sivir and draven are 2 that can easily beat her in lane that isn't why jinx is strong she is strong cause riot has nerfed like every adc besides vayne and she wasn't hit as hard as like lucian.

Very Hard Engage4 votes

once again, everyone overlooks that her rockets do full AoE splash damage, and can crit, and gain increased range, thats why shes broken.

Twitch has it on a 2min CD and gain diminishing returns. (and only works linearly)

A Miss Fortune2 votes

Don't worry they buffed Twitch's ultimate by exactly 0 damage at rank 1.

Matezoide3 votes

But Maokai has a 53% win-rate in Solo Que while being picked stupidly often while Jinx is sitting on just 45 with a terrib--

Oh, wait, other way around.

Bonipherus1 votes

I wouldn't say that she's crowding out other picks but I could agree that she is that very safe blind pick in the same way as Maokai is/was. But Caitlyn is also that very safe pick as well. I'd like these champions to be more fleshed out and distinct.

Too Ton1 votes

Buff her late game nerf her early range in rocket form. Kinda like tristana but conditional mobility.

Godaren1 votes

I don't really think it is just jinx, the main problem is the top tier adcs like sivir jinx vayne kalista are miles better then adcs like ezreal or lucian that's why you only see the same 3-4 adcs every game

Godaren1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Crazy for Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gohtm9kd,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-09-02T15:23:41.336+0000)

I don't really think it is just jinx, the main problem is the top tier adcs like sivir jinx vayne kalista are miles better then adcs like ezreal or lucian that's why you only see the same 3-4 adcs every game. Most adcs are just really weak right now other then the top 4

Jefftiffy1 votes

Hate to be the breaker of bad news, but Jinx isn't really that strong. She is consitent. Just like Maokai. Maokai is being nerfed because his ult just offers so much utility, and even then his ult will still be up for almost every team fight. This will barely effect him anywhere but in lane.

Jinx suffers against people like MF, Caitlyn, Draven, and Ashe. Mostly because they tend to bully their lane opponents and Jinx has nothing to help her in early trades. The nerfs to her Q and ult majorly dropped her effectiveness as a bully.

Ashe does well because she outdamage Jinx in extended trades and has an ult that can force uneven fights. Draven does well because he has more early game and his scaling is much better, but the drawback is he has to be really good to maximize DPS and minimized damage taken because of the projected movement. I'm not talking about juggling 1-2 axes. I'm talking juggling 2-3 axes (yes it is possible) and taht his skills mostly rely on him catching the axes for maximum DPS and utility. At about 2.0 AS Draven can have 3 axes out (1 in his hand, 1 hitting the champion, 1 about to land) and at about 2.1-2.2 AS he can have all 3 in the air eventually. MF has much higher burst to force a won trade and can fall back to poking if she starts to lose somehow. Caitlyn straight up out ranges Jinx and can easily win trades if she chooses the right times to poke her (when her free crit is up or when jinx is in the middle of going for a creep).

AmazingGoat1 votes

There are a ton of picks like this in low ELO solo queue. Pick one or two and abuse them until you are at at an ELO where they aren't freelo. Good luck.

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