How comes we started season 7 without removing warlord?

doublelift fg·Dec 18, 2016·41 votes·2,533 views

this piece of shit garbage designed keystone is still here? LOL ok, i enjoy poking the enemy just to see her later healing it fully with warlord++ what's good about warlord? you just promot passive gameplay and botlane is straight up bullshit, those who get an agressive playstyle just get fucked over without showing their skill.

It's also enjoyable that the enemy is able to heal thanks to +his ulti for literally 30% of his hp for each attack

delete warlord, or nerf it even more against minions, or nerf it in general we don't need a keystone turning your brain off

46 Comments

RiviniDec 18, 201622 votes

No, only spell vamp on mages promotes unhealthy gameplay. Riot said so, thus the removal of Will of the Ancients.

Meanwhile, item 3812 gets to exist because reasons.

The logic is all there.

Friendly RamDec 18, 20163 votes

Fuck your avatar. But hey rito knows balance.

RiviniDec 19, 20161 votes

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Fuck your avatar. But hey rito knows balance.

You don't like Lulu? :(

Friendly RamDec 19, 20161 votes

Like lulu but the tounge suprised me.

Spice POWAHDec 19, 20163 votes

At least Vlad got buffed when spell vamp was removed.

Oh Wait. LCS screwed him.

AhristocatsDec 18, 201616 votes

Yasuo would help to balance this dude

NightmareAmazoXDec 18, 20164 votes

Fervor of Battle is much more better on Yasuo, You only want Warlords if you are going to power farm, And only have short trades & play passive .

Troll for TrumpDec 18, 20162 votes

But when you do want to play passive, you'll never die with Warlord

NightmareAmazoXDec 19, 20162 votes

Someone's cough exaggerating cough VulDread.

Troll for TrumpDec 19, 20162 votes

Nope. It's up to the Yas being passive. There's a post(that's rising) about this somewhere:

It's not as much about how good you are, as it is about how good the Yas is.

He gets a little too much synergy and benefits from many keystones, Warlord's being one of them.

NightmareAmazoXDec 19, 20161 votes

Anyone who's based on AS AA benefits from keystones, Do you expect anyone else to use it? Do you expect someone like gragas to use it? ''A little too much'' please.

Also, That is somewhat true, But the opponent can make situations where it becomes hard for him, Its easy to deny Yasuo alot of cs when you are playing someone like: Olaf Riven Rammus Jayce Irelia Akali

Troll for TrumpDec 19, 20162 votes

Anyone who's based on AS AA benefits from keystones

aka marksmen. OR devourer jglers. Champs that are always problems because they abuse X and X the hardest. Last season it was item 3087 + item 3094 and TLD, then item 3142 item 3071 item 3147 with the meta ADCs mostly abusing fervor, now it's item 3085 . They had to "rework" Fervor and Warlord's. TLD was overbearing on release, but was fixed with number changes. Stormraider's was underwhelming and fixed with numbers. DFT, fixed with numbers, you get the idea.

Rule of thumb: Counterpick does not equal counterplay.

When the only feasible way to deal with a champ is determined on what you pick vs him, that's a problem champ which needs reworks.

NightmareAmazoXDec 19, 20162 votes

''When the only feasible way to deal with a champ is determined on what you pick vs him, that's a problem champ which needs reworks.''

Why do you think that? Could you give an example?

Troll for TrumpDec 19, 20161 votes

Fair counterplay is achievable by any champ, in game. Like Sion's Q.

NightmareAmazoXDec 19, 20162 votes

Not every champion is going to have similar counter play like Sion, If they did, Adc's would dominate.

Troll for TrumpDec 20, 20161 votes

I'm not saying they should, I'm saying the champs that ALREADY have those sion-like hitbox indicators should actually have them be accurately shown ingame.

GULAG 4 UDec 18, 20163 votes

Lmao thinking warlord's is better than fervor on yasuo

SkorchDec 19, 20161 votes

I personally use it on most ad champs, but thats just cause i have a weird thing for farming infinity and safely.

Windspeakers on Vladimir Warlords on Jhin Warlords on Yasuo

sit kidDec 18, 201613 votes

I'd just remove the minion interractivity, now that no other keystone has interraction with minions and monsters

GayFluffyUnicornDec 18, 20161 votes

Yes please. Like this will sound biased but my latest fight on top against fiora... holy. To make it clear: fiora is supposed to be early weak, scale with items and totally wreck tanks. So in fact she did counterpick me when i firstpicked maokai BUT, i have the advantage of dealing magic dmg, having high bases and scaling better with levels and fewer gold than fiora thus giving me a bit of a chance to actually win laning phase. That's atleast how it should work imo but fiora with warlords, dorans and a cheap vampiric scepter made it impossible for me to do anything. I'm running oom and out of health because i can't contest this sort of sustain. This warlords on minions is really toxic and if you watch some botlane gameplays it gets really ridiculous to the point that botlane all ins each other at level 4 being nearly dead and a level or two later both are already full health again.

NightmareAmazoXDec 19, 20161 votes

If Maokai can't have a good laning phase, He'll be at least a good tank with alot cc in his kit for his team.

Spice POWAHDec 19, 20161 votes

Actually, grasp of the undying interacts with minions because it counts as in combat. But that's only on a technicality.

The Yetii RiderDec 19, 20161 votes

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I'd just remove the minion interractivity, now that no other keystone has interraction with minions and monsters

Grasp and Bond of Stone both interact with minions/monsters. Grasp builds up while you are in combat with minions/monsters and Bond of Stone reduces the damage you take from them.

Death and DoomDec 18, 20166 votes

warlords is an annoying keystone, not an overpowered one. It falls into the same category as Lee Sin, it is extremely strong early, since it allows one to skip pots and stay a long time in lane, but it falls off HARD late. Yes, your argument was twitch heals a lot with it, but the truth is it is no where NEAR as strong as any other keystone late. By taking warlords, twitch attempts to buff his weak laning, but at the cost of a lot of damage late game if he had taken fervor.

Basically, warlords is annoying but not overpowered.

BlåbæretDec 18, 20164 votes

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warlords is an annoying keystone, not an overpowered one. It falls into the same category as Lee Sin, it is extremely strong early, since it allows one to skip pots and stay a long time in lane, but it falls off HARD late. Yes, your argument was twitch heals a lot with it, but the truth is it is no where NEAR as strong as any other keystone late. By taking warlords, twitch attempts to buff his weak laning, but at the cost of a lot of damage late game if he had taken fervor.

Basically, warlords is annoying but not overpowered.

It is overpowered. It makes up for any mistake you make.

LunarEdge7Dec 18, 20164 votes

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It is overpowered. It makes up for any mistake you make.

Any. Not every. And it's a good turn-around aid for when you and your opponent are both low, you manage to CC said opponent and get some pokes in/kill and get some hp left in case another opponent is nearby trying to pick you off. You have a chance to survive.. which is nice. But it really feels weaker compared to the other two keystones, only really noticeable early-game.

OG ElftonDec 18, 20161 votes

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It is overpowered. It makes up for any mistake you make.

Considering your elo why do you even talk of balance on the boards?

AhristocatsDec 18, 20163 votes

you think ur good=?

BlåbæretDec 18, 20161 votes

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Considering your elo why do you even talk of balance on the boards?

Who are you? That's right: no one. Tu es nul :)

GayFluffyUnicornDec 18, 20163 votes

Said the gold 5 trash, lul.

Bears Dont CareDec 19, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=OG Elfton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gnT4NsFz,comment-id=000800000001,timestamp=2016-12-18T20:42:15.648+0000)

Considering your elo why do you even talk of balance on the boards?

Ad hominem

FighterA236Dec 18, 20165 votes

With this logic we can make op every single mastery/champion/item in the game. Warlords is useless if u are not below 30%. Lets make everything op:

(Fervor of battle): OMG WTF HOW DID HE GET ALL THIS AD RITO PLS |(deathfire touch):OMG WHERE THE FUCK IS MY HP I JUST STEPPED IN A MUSHROOM NERF PLZ |(stormraiders surge): WTF HE IS SO FAST AND UNKITABLE GG| (Thunderlords decree): Wait it does 300+ damage and it is AOE????!!!!!! RITO IT IS SOME BROKEN SHIT OVER HERE! |(windspeakers blessing): OMG DID YOU SEE THIS SONA HEAL? WAIT WHAT! IT ALSO GIVES EXTRA RESISTANCES?! RITO FIX YOUR GAME! Etc. Or an op item: GG rito we have an 20/0 fiddle who can ult during immunity fix that...( item 3157 ) Actually riot has done a great job balancing out the masteries... (no sarcasm)

OG ElftonDec 18, 20161 votes

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With this logic we can make op every single mastery/champion/item in the game. Warlords is useless if u are not below 30%. Lets make everything op:

(Fervor of battle): OMG WTF HOW DID HE GET ALL THIS AD RITO PLS |(deathfire touch):OMG WHERE THE FUCK IS MY HP I JUST STEPPED IN A MUSHROOM NERF PLZ |(stormraiders surge): WTF HE IS SO FAST AND UNKITABLE GG| (Thunderlords decree): Wait it does 300+ damage and it is AOE????!!!!!! RITO IT IS SOME BROKEN SHIT OVER HERE! |(windspeakers blessing): OMG DID YOU SEE THIS SONA HEAL? WAIT WHAT! IT ALSO GIVES EXTRA RESISTANCES?! RITO FIX YOUR GAME! Etc. Or an op item: GG rito we have an 20/0 fiddle who can ult during immunity fix that...( ) Actually riot has done a great job balancing out the masteries... (no sarcasm)

You are right but shit kids are angry that they suck in a game they spend their whole life in :P

RebonackDec 18, 20165 votes

I suspect removing its minion interaction completely would suffice.

Do the same for Grasp while we're at it. That might allow it to be buffed into something other than a heap of garbage.

LùmenDec 18, 20161 votes

The whole thing about those keystones is that you just stay back and either lifesteal all the way back up or get a big heal from AA'ing a champ. Shit design, and just as you mentioned, does not allow the keystones to be buffed from other perspectives

SpoofghoulDec 18, 20164 votes

How about we remove lifesteals interaction with crit instead

and make it only apply to the actual ad part of the basic attack

if i have 100 AD and 100% crit and 20% lifesteal

i would still only heal for 20 per attack and not 40 because i crit

maybe then it would be more balanced

NightmareAmazoXDec 18, 20161 votes

That's how it's on items, Warlords used to be like this in Preseason 6 when it got released at first giving Master Yi, Yasuo, Tryndamere infinite sustain.

SmileInABoxDec 18, 20164 votes

How about we just stop listening to this guy's shitty rants. He exaggerates way too much, and is pretty much everything wrong with the gameplay boards.

MatakeDec 18, 20164 votes

If your enemy is healed then it would take quiet a few hits to minions for that to happen. Why isn't your jungler taking advantage? I say you're full of exaggeration, sorry.

SkorchDec 19, 20163 votes

Beleive it or not, but passive gameplay is a gameplay style. Warlords is the passive sustain mastery. While you may like constantly going ham that doesnt mean passiveness shouldnt exist.

Instead of only knowing how to go in, I would much rather have my adc who is losing lane hide under turret and sustain farm with this mastery.

EDIT: Also isnt Ferver what you take on Twitch since its so easy to stack? Idk im not a good twitch.