Why can Sona have the kit of a support but the damage of an assassin?

JavelinJoe··1 votes·1,684 views

Sure, she is not one shotting everyone, yet, but chunking them for 70% health is more than enough damage to turn any fight AND she has all the typical weaknesses of assassins covered Great mobility, healing, range, and she can go semi tank with minimal downside.

Her intended weakness was mana regen, and while she does has some difficulty early on, item 2301 item 3504 item 3222 item 3174 can help to easy that limitation. Her early game is her weakest, but with that said, it still is one of the strongest early games for a poke/sustain based support. She can build minimal heavy damage items and focus on supporting ones, while still dealing crap tons of damage because of her Q and passive and her ult granting automatic 20% cdr at rank 1.

Now this would also be balanced, if she did not have one of the largest aoe stuns (or whatever it is called, maybe forced dance?) in the game on a point and click. Once again, making her able to easily escape a scary situation or nuke a few carries. Sona use to be able to do this, but only if she build a few AP heavy items like item 3100 item 3285 and item 3089.

Overall her ability damage was nerfed, but her survivability was increased making up for the lowered damage. But when you are alive longer you deal more damage, heal more teammates, etc... And with added survivability, she is almost, if not a priority target in fights over the carries, which is not a good thing for her to have. She should be back lines, looking to heal allies or stun for an engage, not front lines dueling with the enemy carries.

Her old self had a health weakness where she could pop with easy, but now it is a chore to kill her since she heals for 400+ every W (like every 3 seconds). She needs to be toned down a bit in one of her areas, damage, sustain, harass, escape/mobility, etc... because she currently s the next champion who has it all (like Lucian was a few weeks back).

28 Comments

Dominick Destine3 votes

Having played as sona and against sona many times now after the rework; Her damage is lower than ever by a lot , stop complaining.

Axtrous2 votes

Dude, anything can be classified as a fucking support now-a-days. Karma "support" with a Luden's Echo, just because she as a snare and a shield. Annie "support" is also another great pick too.

sheldonbunny2 votes

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Dude, anything can be classified as a fucking support now-a-days. Karma "support" with a Luden's Echo, just because she as a snare and a shield. Annie "support" is also another great pick too.

Karma actually is a support though. People keep overlooking champion's secondary roles...

Axtrous2 votes

You're forgetting the point to where she press r,q, then half your life is gone. I'm not over looking shit, blitz isn't classified as a support according to your logic. He's classified as a "tank, fighter".

Dynikus1 votes

are you actually implying that karma isn't a support?

Axtrous1 votes

I'm implying that anything can be ran as support. The quotations are a use of reference to a jocular manner. What i'm saying is, is that she does way too much damage for a "support".

Dynikus3 votes

I didn't know supports had a damage limit. Her kit lets her play a supportive mid, or full support in bot.

Axtrous1 votes

Supports shouldn't be able to half hit ANYONE. That's not what they are designed to do.

Axtrous1 votes

They are designed to either give their adc mobility, hp, defensive stats, peel, etc. Not fucking obliterate a lucian 1v1.

Dynikus3 votes

there are 3 main categories of botlanes, sustain, kill, or poke. Supports that deal damage (ie: brand or karma) are meant to kill the enemy players.

Axtrous1 votes

That's not really supporting in my book.

Axtrous1 votes

Guess we're taking veigar bot lane because he has a stun kappa.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

If you didn't know, that's actually the reason he received the stun delay. He was a huge Korean solo queue support pick

Dynikus3 votes

I guess you need to rewrite your book then.

Girard1 votes

No, Karma is fine. People complain because she has a heavily damaging ability but that's her ONLY form of damage, and it's easy to dodge. It's not like Teemo who has a point and click blind heavily damaging ability on an even lower cooldown WHILE he also has way more damage in his kit. Karma's W does next to nothing and her Q isn't even that bad for a mage. People complain too much.

Axtrous2 votes

Annie, karma, veigar, anivia, brand, and lux should not be in the "support" category. Too much damage.

Girard1 votes

More than half of the people you listed aren't even conventional supports.

Axtrous1 votes

Yet, they're still in my fucking lane instant killing me, cool right?

Girard3 votes

So you're whining because the enemy is doing something that isn't meant to be done that you don't know how to fight?

Dynikus1 votes

so what you're saying is they shouldn't be played in the lane, even though playing them there is working out well for the people playing them? I think I'm missing something.

sheldonbunny1 votes

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I'm implying that anything can be ran as support. The quotations are a use of reference to a jocular manner. What i'm saying is, is that she does way too much damage for a "support".

Implying supports can't do damage. Incorrect.

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Supports shouldn't be able to half hit ANYONE. That's not what they are designed to do.

Again, says who? You? Well guess what? You're not in charge thankfully.

All of us aggressive supports love making your kind cry. Your tears sustain us.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Reikken2 votes

Sona doesn't have that much damage. It's just really easy for her to land it. Q+auto does nice damage (0.98 AP ratio, with massive base damage) but it's the only damage she has aside from her ult. The main thing is that Q can be used while moving and has nice range and auto targets, and her passive empowered auto comes out really fast. So she always gets it off and can fall back instantly.

Compare to an actual assassin (ex: LeBlanc) who can do that much damage with one skill and then still has 3 more.

fyi Nami can burst harder than Sona. It's just harder for her to land it, and it doesn't come out as fast.

Handy Sandy 2 votes

Sona does 400+ damage every 3 secs? That's nothing compared to other mages.

RedCyclone2 votes

Sona always did damage when she built full AP, you just didn't see much of her

Making it so Sona does no damage is a good way to alienate the playerbase that likes playing her so much

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

because if you don't know what assassin damage actually looks like then everything looks like assassin damage. ERMAGERD TANK AKALI KILLED ME IN 3 SECONDS SO ASSASSIN DAMAGE

Its All Skillzz1 votes

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because if you don't know what assassin damage actually looks like then everything looks like assassin damage. ERMAGERD TANK AKALI KILLED ME IN 3 SECONDS SO ASSASSIN DAMAGE

dying before you can blink is assassin damage. and ive seen a sona built ap remove a squishy instantly with her R Q lichbane AA

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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dying before you can blink is assassin damage. and ive seen a sona built ap remove a squishy instantly with her R Q lichbane AA

I've seen her fail to instantly kill people and just get slowly beat down uselessly after by a squishy lol

RedCyclone2 votes

Sona deals damage if you build AP with her? It's almost like AP makes abilities more powerful

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