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Played 6 ranked games = 6 stomps, this is the future of league ?

option paralysis··46 votes·1,966 views

In what world is this fun ? Having the game decided in champ select. I played normals mostly lately and today I went ranked, and I immediately remembered why I don't play in this ranking system. Literally the most toxic shit you can imagine for a game. Why are you spending so much time with useless things, when your ranking system hasn't changed for years and years. Last year you tried to enforce even more toxic environment with the dynamic q garbage. I just don't get it. You have such an amazing game, characters and lore, yet you can't create a balanced ranking system. Or is it you just want to have it like this, so people need to play thousands and thousands of games to reach their desired elo, because they need to swim through the trash your system puts on them, Idk. I lost the faith of having normal and balanced games in ranked years ago, but hey I'm just an idiot that loves the game so I stick with it in hope, how foolish of me, right. Don't mind me, cater to casuals and e$ports like always. How about putting some serious thought into improving the ranking system ? Maybe don't mix and match 500 mmr difference in one game and then wonder why are people starting to be toxic or hate the game. Maybe, just maybe, that's the product of the game not being balanced from the champ select. Maybe people feel like they have no influence on the game when you put a silver 5 go against a gold 5 for no reason, or a d5 against a d1 for no apparent reason. Maybe people hate knowing they lost the game in champ select. But hey, don't worry next game will be inclined in your favour so you can win and the whole cycle continues. This isn't just exclusive for preseason, I quit ranked during the season too, for the same reason. But they didn't fix anything, they just enhanced snowballing even more.

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muted team chat5 votes

my bot lane in my last gold III game went 3-25 in a 27 minute game.

I'd say the future of boring games is here,

gabetheguy3 votes

try getting better, that way you won't get stomped.

option paralysis11 votes

{quoted}

try getting better, that way you won't get stomped.

Did I say I just got stomped ? Even when I win it's a stomp. There's no balanced games, always a stomp either way.

Sona Ping3 votes

[{quoted}](name=useless nihilist,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gfdJok9n,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-03T01:15:43.209+0000)

Did I say I just got stomped ? Even when I win it's a stomp. There's no balanced games, always a stomp either way.

Being a clear victory for one side or the other is not evidence that it was not balanced. Assuming that denies that a balanced match can have a team gain an advantage, use that advantage to gain further advantages, and solidly claim a victory, that it is a game that allows for players to have a control over the results of the game rather than it being a terrible, 40 minute coin flip.

Scary Door3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sona Ping,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gfdJok9n,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-03T01:50:16.396+0000)

Being a clear victory for one side or the other is not evidence that it was not balanced. Assuming that denies that a balanced match can have a team gain an advantage, use that advantage to gain further advantages, and solidly claim a victory, that it is a game that allows for players to have a control over the results of the game rather than it being a terrible, 40 minute coin flip.

But if it happens consistently it would imply that the state of the game is not balanced.

If every game (or virtually every game) is determined by the ten minute mark, how does that lend to the idea that the game is balanced?

Sona Ping2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Scary Door,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gfdJok9n,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-03T02:40:02.045+0000)

But if it happens consistently it would imply that the state of the game is not balanced.

No, it would not. The explanation still covers that; that is still evidence that the game has clear ways for one side to gain and grow an advantage. And we know that through gaining gold, stats, and objectives that League is a game that does allow for a side to gain an advantage and use that to gain further advantages to gain a win consistently.

A thing that is also evidence for a contradictory explanation does not imply that the former idea is correct.

That idea argues that players do not and would not do anything to secure their victory before x minute mark or that is impossible for players to simply not do stupid shit and throw their lead. But we're all to believe not only that, but the masses testimony that nearly every game is determined by ten minutes, when they try to surrender after one bad teamfight, people who have no idea whether they are winning or losing and use that testimony to assert that it is clear that the matchmaking system, software, they have absolutely no conception of the workings of, does not work. Really.

Further, redundant example: Imagine a first-person shooter with eliminations, so that respawns only happen between rounds. The team that eliminates more of the enemy team has an advantage, in multiple ways. You would expect that the team with 8 players remaining would have a better chance of winning over the team that 4 remaining given this clear advantage. You cannot start the comparison AFTER this clear advantage has already been gained and treat like it means something else when the team who has already completed the majority of their win condition wins (especially if the teams got changed every round). Having a team that has more players win is evidence that having more players is an advantage, not that matchmaking doesn't work and wins an determined in champion select.

If every game (or virtually every game) is determined by the ten minute mark, how does that lend to the idea that the game is balanced?

What that lends evidence to is that a game determining state has been reached before ten minutes. That's what that means. It's a game pacing thing; it doesn't even need to be said that not every video game match last until 40 minutes if allowed, right? That fact doesn't mean that the game's matchmaking is broken. "Wins determined in champion select", since when did the boards start letting Elo Hell reasoning go unquestioned?

Sona Ping2 votes

"Hi, I'm useless nihilist (EUNE). Is this the future of League?!

Riot can't create a balanced ranking system, matchmaking is broken, games are determined in champion select, and the 6 ranked games I played were stomps, including the one I played and lost right before I made this thread."

https://i.imgur.com/27wNdBY.png

Whichever of the half dozen proofs you would prefer.

McFatal18 votes

{quoted}

try getting better, that way you won't get stomped.

U have a negative win rate in bronze

Why comment that ?

gabetheguy4 votes

{quoted}

U have a negative win rate in bronze

Why comment that ?

because I need to get better so I won't get stomped. so I gave him the advice that I gave myself.

McFatal3 votes

{quoted}

because I need to get better so I won't get stomped. so I gave him the advice that I gave myself.

I can imagine that’s how u thought the comment would appear but others will disagree

Woojae Sung2 votes

{quoted}

U have a negative win rate in bronze

Why comment that ?

so you have positive win rate what does that prove you stomped on negative win rate team?

McFatal8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Woojae Sung,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gfdJok9n,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2017-12-03T01:36:29.409+0000)

so you have positive win rate what does that prove you stomped on negative win rate team?

My rank doesn’t mater in the slightest .

Someone with a negative win rate in bronze should not be insulting someone and claiming “try getting better”

Woojae Sung3 votes

{quoted}

My rank doesn’t mater in the slightest .

Someone with a negative win rate in bronze should not be insulting someone and claiming “try getting better”

so you think this game is based on skill?

McFatal10 votes

[{quoted}](name=Woojae Sung,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gfdJok9n,comment-id=00000001000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-03T01:48:02.762+0000)

so you think this game is based on skill?

Are you high?

Woojae Sung1 votes

{quoted}

Are you high?

what sort of skill you think that is?

wildfox993 votes

{quoted}

Are you high?

well,if he meant that lol is based more on teamplay/pick the most broken champions than individual skill,that's right

Sraeg20131 votes

He isn't wrong asking though.

Games can be decided as soon as in the champion select. Not much skill involved in that.

LiteUpSketchers1 votes

Lmfao

MysticDreams123 votes

{quoted}

My rank doesn’t mater in the slightest .

Someone with a negative win rate in bronze should not be insulting someone and claiming “try getting better”

And it's not your job to call people out or attack them for their rank. Riot deems that offensive as well.

Durzaka15 votes

Is that why Master tier games are lasting ~24 minutes on average?

gabetheguy2 votes

{quoted}

Is that why Master tier games are lasting ~24 minutes on average?

the better team doesn't get stomped.

Durzaka12 votes

No, the team that gets slightly ahead, does the stomping. You don't need to be better.

In previous seasons, it was actually possible to play from behind, now it almost 100% impossible to play from behind.

Leafic2 votes

BOY U DONT NEED TO BE BETTER HOW THE HELL DID THEY GET AHEAD.[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Durzaka7 votes

EVERYONE makes mistakes. Everyone makes misplays.

The game should not be decided because one person made a single misplay at level 3 and because of the nature of the game right now it snowballs out of control.

It should not be to make a misplay at the start, then just get beaten to a pulp for 20 minutes. You should be able to fall back, play passive, collect yourself, communicate, and then potentially turn the game around.

Obviously in the end the better team wins. But its the better overall team, not the better team for 10 seconds right at the start of the game.

Woojae Sung1 votes

{quoted}

BOY U DONT NEED TO BE BETTER HOW THE HELL DID THEY GET AHEAD.[zombie-brand-facepalm]

upside down pyramid beating on me, most bronze are probably fake accounts.

gabetheguy2 votes

{quoted}

No, the team that gets slightly ahead, does the stomping. You don't need to be better.

In previous seasons, it was actually possible to play from behind, now it almost 100% impossible to play from behind.

I guess you should work on getting slightly ahead then

Durzaka14 votes

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RedCyclone1 votes

A-fucking-men

Durzaka1 votes

LOL, he reported my post because I said idiot.

Wow, people on this forum need to grow thicker skin.

gabetheguy1 votes

{quoted}

LOL, he reported my post because I said idiot.

Wow, people on this forum need to grow thicker skin.

I didn't tho/

Troll for Trump2 votes

Wait. So a silver ranked player gets better, and becomes a master (which is a HUGE improvement), but still gets equally stomped in games?

Sounds fishy

Dream High3 votes

Yeah, the gme is so shit right now. Every single one of my recent losses are stomps because of bot lane. I can't even make an impact as by the time I reach 6 the lane has been decided.

Darkeus1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dream High,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gfdJok9n,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2017-12-03T17:44:56.409+0000)

Yeah, the gme is so shit right now. Every single one of my recent losses are stomps because of bot lane. I can't even make an impact as by the time I reach 6 the lane has been decided.

How do you think I feel as a Support main. Hell I can't even back the same time my ADC does lest we lose tower at six minutes because four people come bot. Or it is a stomp with either my bot or their bot getting stomped on.

Not happy with League right now.

Woojae Sung2 votes

cs, map awareness, counter picks, and communication?

Leafic1 votes

ur a legend [zombie-nunu-bummed]

Woojae Sung2 votes

I saw lulu buying up 20 ward for 75 gold and planting around our base and cute kid came into my mind, I laughed so hard at that, I wanted to be like her and had fun and planted 20 wards for 75 gold and planted in the base for like 5 games at the beginning because back then it was for fun like adventuring.

Gives No Lux2 votes

Actually this is currently the present of League.

Bonny Saiyajin2 votes

I was platinum 3 and other acc diamond 3. Riot decides to change matchmaking 2 or 3 years ago when challanger players blame riot for long queue times. I remember this was very popular topic. They waited 30+minutes - but it was fair. Now they wait short time and blame too - because in enemy team can be diamond 3. Small group of challanger players change matchmaking for all players. Challangers destroyed the game.

5050BS1 votes

Yep I remember this. Top 1% bitched and moaned about Q times.

Now we all bitch and moan about MMR.

I would wait 10m in Que if it meant I was not wasting 20m in a cant win game.

sphinxthelion72 votes

With matchmaker constantly trying to stack games in an attempt to force your 50% average winrate it is impossible. You can carry 15/0 take turrets and do everything right, but matchmaker will give you such awful teams it is impossible to win. It just doesnt matter matchmaker stacks the teams. And this will go on for several games until your winrate tanks and then all of a sudden you will be on the opposite side where you're on the winning teams for several games just stomping the piss out of them, and then the cycle will start over. I dont understand why we dont just play with whom ever we get qued with within our rank. That would be true competition. Instead the games are basically fixed by matchmaker that predicts who will win and stacks the teams in an attempt to flatten winrates to 50% effectively making it impossible to climb.

IThis is a constant cycle. My winrate climbs to 80% and suddenly I get nothing but teams that feed, ignore objectives, troll, afk, ect. this will go on for about 10 games. Then I will only get good teams for about 10 games so on so forth. My play ability really doesnt matter. I can carry or feed. Itr makes no difference. I've played literally thousands of games in the last 2 years. That's why I'm quitting League. The ranked system is just stupid.

5050BS1 votes

Yep its a stupid and shitty design. Much like a lot of Riots "Choices" as of late.

I will say I do like the Runes Reforged but Champions Design, loot, Client (lag) has been crap.

Woojae Sung1 votes

rune selection and item choices, lane picks, and spells?

Woojae Sung1 votes

you see where it said challenger 50 gold 25 silver 10 bronze 1 and rest bots.

Woojae Sung1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Woojae Sung,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gfdJok9n,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-12-03T04:00:28.297+0000)

you see where it said challenger 50 gold 25 silver 10 bronze 1 and rest bots.

goes something like this 50 challenger 25 gold 10 silver 1 bronze make it something like 50 challenger 25 gold 75 gold bots 10 silver 140 silver bots 10 bronze 290 bots.

sphinxthelion71 votes

Ive made several posts over the last 2 years saying the same thing. LOL ranked system is garbage. It has actually frustrated me so much that I just deleted the game today.

Bonny Saiyajin1 votes

Matchmaking is sweet :) My best rank was platinum3. Two months ago i was in gold1 promo to platinum with 60% win ratio, now i have <50% because of lose streaks. After this i start playing like shiit too because of tilt.

I have many games with 1000 ping - ok that's fault from my side. Why i play support? Because my laptop has 10-30fps. https://i.imgur.com/0YwPRSR.jpg Last game from this list: Malzahar with 50hp, R on CD run to fed yasuo and just die - that was not troll. In silver there are players worse than bronzeV and better than diamondV (that is normal in this elo) - so matchmaking not works. Exceptions are normal games with same chance to win.

Maybe if i have better ping, high fps, good monitor and chair then i will reach higher rank. There are many others things that make you worse than others - finances, family situation, warmth in the room, healthy drinking and food, etc. . Dopa games: http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=newzhongdan He has money, 8ms etc. In this situation brain works on high level -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

5050BS1 votes

Silver has stupid bad players because Riot thinks its ok to put new lvl 30 accounts starting Ranked in Silver MMR when they SHOULD start from Bronze V.

Silver really is the Hell ELO because of this one thing.

Bonny Saiyajin1 votes

silver players are now more skilled than years ago. Silver players skill now = diamond skill 6 or less years ago. They can click mouse and keys. Need learn from Dopa(because he play on smurfs) games - attack good target(easy win teamfight - most players just attack tanky support), good calculation(he don't risk too much, kill only 100% targets), perfect positioning, no deads = max possible dmg in team fights, more time for farm and help allies, don't give money for enemy. I played vs diamonds masters challangers and i see diffrence in skill but this is little diffrences (max 100ms in reaction time and ofc they think what they do all the time) for example camille wait with E and use it in this same moment as i flash - and use it perfect to flash place so fast. Of course that can be ping diffrence too. 60ms = 120ms delay, 100ms = 200ms (download + upload): ok i'm not so ignorant and i can say that there are diffrence in brain, but this is not big diffrence - someone has talent for gaming/sport/science/speaking etc.

30% games is 100% lose that's true even if you play perfect. 20% games are winable but need pick good champion(not udyr) and play very good with less mistakes as possible. Higher mmr = more chance to win - not like many players think. I know this make no sense but this is riot logic - and then will come series and bronze in team - if you lose then your mmr drop down - same if you reach higher rank and you have 0lp your mmr is now much lower, without loses. If you fall from league(silver3>silver4) the you have higher mmr than before without winning games = more chance to reach higher rank. 0lp or 100lp(series) = less chance to win. I have best games if i have >=50lp<100lp. Ofc that is subjective feeling - maybe you have same.

But what i talking about.. I have 1-5fps in late teamfights - unplayable XD Fk this laptop, ping is not bad 80ms. Sometimes when i press keys game doesn't react or react with delay (laptop keyboard fault not ms or fps).

Bonny Saiyajin1 votes

Guys but there are eloboosters with 90-100% win ratio from bronze V to diamond III. So it is possible to climb. Play support in higher elo from platinum 3 because adc in lower elo can be idiot - 2/10 adc in low elo are good. If you pick support then go braum (cc, tank) or zyra (can oneshot in teamfights with ult multiple targets). You need practice minimum 10+ ranked games to be good with new champion. You need dmg to carry in bronze/silver/gold - that why master yi, kha zix is good choise. In higher elo better is sejuani - more teamfights without stupidly 1v5 Goku ssj4. Look KDA and win% http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=newzhongdan - it is possible to climb to diamond !

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