I guess she is was hidden op for so long as many said before, no wonder all of sudden she got like 20% pickrate to a damn 54% winrate as adc.
Honestly where is her nerf at his point ?
Zullar11 votesThe pro's don't play Jinx so if anything she will be buffed.
The balance team seems to primarily balance around pro play.
Ahris1 votesAhri got nerfed a ton and that is because of soloq.
Mortismo2 votesAhri has been consistantly one of the best mids until diamond for several seasons now?
Not saying Ahri is OP or anything, but aside from high elo, shes one of the best mids to play
Ahris1 votesDefine what "best" means. "Best" differs from person to person, so I want to know what is your def of "best"
Hi im 122 voteshighest pick and win rates? dw shes still broken as fuck and will continue to be.
Mortismo1 votesShes good to climb with until diamond because people lack skill to fight her
Ahris1 votesCant other champs be good to climb to diamond with?
Mortismo1 votesYes, but it doesnt change that Ahri's winrate is high until diamond
Ahris1 votesGame shouldnt be balanced for lowelos not using their brains.
Mortismo1 votesI agree, but i think it should be all or none when it comes to forcing buffs, and there would be a lot of champions whose ban rates would rise really high, not saying that Ahri is one of them, but straight out buffing a champion that has a 52% winrate doesn't seem right
I think they should give her a bit more scaling on her Q, remove the Q true damage, so she waveclears better without losing/getting more damage on champions, maybe make travel speed a bit faster/lower cast time?
Z3SIeeper2 votesExtremely safe with a high impact catching tool. Safety and catch potential amplified via usage of Glacial Augment.
Essentially, safe + high impact = one of the best picks. That goes for any champion in any lane and isn't an Ahri-specific phenomenon.
Ahris1 votesSure Ahri may be safe, but her catching tool is only decent. Any champ can take and use glacial to make their catching better.
Safe, and high impact, then I'd say supports are way better than Ahri in midlane. Anivia, Xerath, Leblanc, Lux, Zilean, are all safer than Ahri and each one has a pretty powerful cc tool. So, by your definition of "best" then you need to look at deathrate of every champ and the champ with least death is the most poweful. Although, the mistake here is, the amount of damage output a champ can deal.
So def, damage + safety + utility is the best combination for the best soloq champ. At least that is my def. Why? With damage you can kill key targets, and can carry further. You can kill the enemy fed carry, and if u ate safe and have utility, then you are def the best.
Like I said, for me, what best is, has the highest potential of carrying games and can output the most damage quite easily. Champs like Syndra, Ziggs, Lux, and many "other mages" provides this much more than Ahri. But you are looking for safety and high impact, then supports are the best champs in game. They dont provide damage, but very safe, and have one of most impacting abilities in game.
If supports were the best champs, then they will be played everywhere. I mean, it might actually work, but you will lack damage. Though, if you want to get carried through elo, sup is the easiest role to do it from, so I guess according to you, sup is the most powerful role in the entire game.
Z3SIeeper2 votesAll those you mentioned are also safe and high impact yes (except Xerath, truly a skill champ).
Safety, high impact and damage. There's a reason supports aren't played everywhere and it's simply because that's not true for all of them.
Ahri's safety = range + ranged spells + 3 dashes. Akali's safety = decent range + stealth + 3 dashes. Leblanc's safety = range + stealth + 2 dashes.
Getting the picture now? All of those deal high damage as well (with ahri on the lower side).
Edit: On top of that, Ahri has Charm so she can't be chased linearly on top of having 3 dashes. Basically, there's no catching her and your only option is to decimate her in one go buuuut that's why she has Zhonya.
Paroe2 votesAll those you mentioned are also safe and high impact yes (except Xerath, truly a skill champ).
Safety, high impact and damage. There's a reason supports aren't played everywhere and it's simply because that's not true for all of them.
Ahri's safety = range + ranged spells + 3 dashes. Akali's safety = decent range + stealth + 3 dashes. Leblanc's safety = range + stealth + 2 dashes.
Getting the picture now? All of those deal high damage as well (with ahri on the lower side).
Just here to clarify something - Ahri only does slightly less damage than LB with something like 1175+2.8AP, still more than enough to assassinate someone and escape.
ArtumisPrime4 votesJust saying....if her pickrate is high, then it's not really "hidden" OP, is it?
ValiantKiller1 votesJust saying....if her pickrate is high, then it's not really "hidden" OP, is it?
She had a low pickrate back then with high winrate, that why people said she was hidden op but now look at her
ArtumisPrime1 votesShe's had a 14% or higher pickrate in Plat+ since 9.12...maybe even before that, as u.gg doesn't let me check earlier.
ValiantKiller1 votesShe's had a 14% or higher pickrate in Plat+ since 9.12...maybe even before that, as u.gg doesn't let me check earlier.
I think 14% pickrate is decent for adc special if they having around 53% winrate
ArtumisPrime1 votesMy initial comment was a joke, but yes. 12.5% would be the ideal number, in a perfectly balanced world. However, the point I was making is that it's not like she went from Kog'Maw's 1.1% to 20% out of nowhere. People have been playing her for months.
ValiantKiller1 votesMy initial comment was a joke, but yes. 12.5% would be the ideal number, in a perfectly balanced world. However, the point I was making is that it's not like she went from Kog'Maw's 1.1% to 20% out of nowhere. People have been playing her for months.
True true, it even prove that she was hidden op as people said but we didn't notice cause vayne and ezreal was more cancer
Hayaishi23 votesJinx is too safe in lane.
ValiantKiller3 votesJinx is too safe in lane.
And she got a damn mid game power spikes not even late
Dora drugs Diego3 votesDownvoted by a Jinx main who is currently abusing her winrate :3 [slayer-jinx-catface]
ValiantKiller2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dora drugs Diego,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gdxOo3t4,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2019-08-24T21:01:36.743+0000)
Downvoted by a Jinx main who is currently abusing her winrate :3 [slayer-jinx-catface]
Atleast you admit it xD
GodlyBane3 votesbc shes a lategame scaling adc and a lot of low elo games (Gold and below) dont know how to play much against her. Oh yeah she also doesnt have invis, stupid mechanics, and get this, she is very easy to kill for assassins and very easy to shutdown early game.
ValiantKiller1 votesbc shes a lategame scaling adc and a lot of low elo games (Gold and below) dont know how to play much against her. Oh yeah she also doesnt have invis, stupid mechanics, and get this, she is very easy to kill for assassins and very easy to shutdown early game.
Yet doesn't explain her over spiked pickrate and winrate in high elo but okey.
Xavanic2 votesno where, she is just a good vayne counter, and since vayne is meta rn obviously her strongest counter would reap it (plus, its riot, they don't nerf adc's, just buff them)
Death by Glamour11 votesshe has a positive winrate into every adc bar one...
ValiantKiller2 votes[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gdxOo3t4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T23:26:13.930+0000)
she has a positive winrate into every adc bar one...
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BronzeADClife1 votesummmm vayne isnt as meta anymore she hasnt been a problem for like 3 to 4 patches because of the whole one shot meta we are in and unlike jinx who gets a boost of stats for a kill and can hit the entire team with runnans vayne can only focus down a single target at a time.
Xavanic1 votesummmm vayne isnt as meta anymore she hasnt been a problem for like 3 to 4 patches because of the whole one shot meta we are in and unlike jinx who gets a boost of stats for a kill and can hit the entire team with runnans vayne can only focus down a single target at a time.
Vayne has a 15.5% pick rate and a 50.5% winrate if that isn't meta i don't know what is
Zane Zephyr2 votesshe did just get a project skin...
Politur grime2 votesShe is that strong for four months or even more. If she is not getting pick/ban in pro or getting more than 54,5% winrate, she won't get touched.
And she is popular, too. Maybe that's why.[slayer-jinx-wink]
ValiantKiller2 votes[{quoted}](name=Politur grime,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gdxOo3t4,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2019-08-24T16:29:25.903+0000)
She is that strong for four months or even more. If she is not getting pick/ban in pro or getting more than 54,5% winrate, she won't get touched.
And she is popular, too. Maybe that's why.[slayer-jinx-wink]
I mean facts, popular and girl champion that mostly get you ticket to free elo of op dumb shit champions
OtterlyLost2 votesNot directed at the OP but it makes me salty that I honestly saw threads wanting to nerf Tristana before I saw threads wanting to address the fact that Jinx has been the best ADC for nearly the entire season. She's freelo. It doesn't even matter if you lose lane as Jinx or if you're not even good at her as a champion. Just turn your brain off, wait until level 9 and until you have Runaan's and then AoE rocket crit people from 700 range. Yes, you heard me. 700 range. That's higher Tristana's at level 18. She gets it twice as fast as Tristana and benefits from a better mid to late game for it.
Why is Tristana in pro play in a solo lane and doing meh to bad in solo lanes for soloqueue suddenly the call from god to nerf her... but Jinx has been dominating bot lane and games for nearly the entirety of the season but everyone just shrugs?
Seriously, something needs to be toned back on Jinx because her long range and ability to AoE crit your entire team is exceptionally problematic. Why is she allowed this kind of interaction but for Caitlyn, it was the first thing to go? And Caitlyn didn't even have higher than a 50% WR when they utterly neutered her for a season and a half.
Get rid of the Runaan's interaction or greatly reduce the damage that her rockets can do. Because as it stands, the only weakness Jinx has is being immobile and that's even negated by having a huge fuck off range and a reset that gives her huge amounts of MS and AS.
ValiantKiller2 votesNot directed at the OP but it makes me salty that I honestly saw threads wanting to nerf Tristana before I saw threads wanting to address the fact that Jinx has been the best ADC for nearly the entire season. She's freelo. It doesn't even matter if you lose lane as Jinx or if you're not even good at her as a champion. Just turn your brain off, wait until level 9 and until you have Runaan's and then AoE rocket crit people from 700 range. Yes, you heard me. 700 range. That's higher Tristana's at level 18. She gets it twice as fast as Tristana and benefits from a better mid to late game for it.
Why is Tristana in pro play in a solo lane and doing meh to bad in solo lanes for soloqueue suddenly the call from god to nerf her... but Jinx has been dominating bot lane and games for nearly the entirety of the season but everyone just shrugs?
Seriously, something needs to be toned back on Jinx because her long range and ability to AoE crit your entire team is exceptionally problematic. Why is she allowed this kind of interaction but for Caitlyn, it was the first thing to go? And Caitlyn didn't even have higher than a 50% WR when they utterly neutered her for a season and a half.
Get rid of the Runaan's interaction or greatly reduce the damage that her rockets can do. Because as it stands, the only weakness Jinx has is being immobile and that's even negated by having a huge fuck off range and a reset that gives her huge amounts of MS and AS.
All they have to do to make her decent one more without being op, just removed the dumb crit shit they added on her rocket.
I was from the people who was against that dumb idea of giving jinx among all adc free crit on her long range high damage and aoe rockets that was dumb honestly.
Ackelope2 votesif you'll notice her banrate is pretty low, most people playing don't perceive her as a large problem or simply don't mind playing against her that much. That's probably the actual reason she hasn't been nerfed or considered for nerfs yet, riot takes banrate into consideration and as far as I can tell it matters about as much as winrate when it comes to actually executing on balance changes.
ValiantKiller1 votesif you'll notice her banrate is pretty low, most people playing don't perceive her as a large problem or simply don't mind playing against her that much. That's probably the actual reason she hasn't been nerfed or considered for nerfs yet, riot takes banrate into consideration and as far as I can tell it matters about as much as winrate when it comes to actually executing on balance changes.
I mean people notice that right now slowly, it just no one notice her cause vayne and ezreal was more toxic
Ackelope1 votesi just think that's how riot might be judging things. How quickly people catch on to things being both popular and horrible to play against usually means that it's a bigger issue, if it takes them longer to realize that it's a problem, it usually isn't as big of a problem. That's often untrue in real life, but in a video game where everything is defined by player experience, it seems like an alright way to judge things to me.
Almost Creative1 votesI remember Riot showing us an "OP Line". Anything above a 54.5 WR gets nerfed. They give champs like her the green light of having a 53-54% WR as their ban rate and pro presence remain non-existent. Also Sivir and Ez got nerfed so her numbers went up (shocker)
ValiantKiller2 votes[{quoted}](name=London Bridge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gdxOo3t4,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-24T00:30:18.166+0000)
I remember Riot showing us an "OP Line". Anything above a 54.5 WR gets nerfed. They give champs like her the green light of having a 53-54% WR as their ban rate and pro presence remain non-existent. Also Sivir and Ez got nerfed so her numbers went up (shocker)
Still she was hidden op and if i'm wrong, correct isn't adc special with high pickrate shouldn't be allowed over 50% winrate even ?
Xavanic2 votesStill she was hidden op and if i'm wrong, correct isn't adc special with high pickrate shouldn't be allowed over 50% winrate even ?
ezreal had a 50% pick rate and 52% winrate at one point....he never got nerfed, just his counters got buffed and he fell out of meta
Magnesium141 votesezreal had a 50% pick rate and 52% winrate at one point....he never got nerfed, just his counters got buffed and he fell out of meta
Ezreal isn't broken tho, he's just pretty much the most fun to us champion in the game which is why people play him.
Kilpta471 votesBecause she’s healthy in practice.
No one has been hating on Jinx because she is counterable, being easily abusable by early game champs and assassins.
Even if you lose to her more than half the time, it still feels like your fault when you lose. That’s because Jinx is such a well-designed champion that even if she’s OP, she is still healthy to play against and Riot is willing to keep her there because players are still having fun.
ValiantKiller2 votesBecause she’s healthy in practice.
No one has been hating on Jinx because she is counterable, being easily abusable by early game champs and assassins.
Even if you lose to her more than half the time, it still feels like your fault when you lose. That’s because Jinx is such a well-designed champion that even if she’s OP, she is still healthy to play against and Riot is willing to keep her there because players are still having fun.
I don't think i have a fun when a damn rocked got buffed and allow it to have it own term of crit that make her long harsh is more worst.
It even get more worst when you team just give 2 kills, enough to make her buy 
and then she will run you over if you don't have assassin so that is sucks to play against.
Killer of Night91 votesDo you prefer playing against every other adc when they had high pickrate and winrate? As the game state nerfing jinx equal to another marksmen taking over the place and we already seem how other adc are way more problematic than her when meta such as tristana with her mobility and range or cait with her unplayable laning face. Vayne,Lucian,kai'sa ( she is still on meta) had high ban rate because they can literally bully every melee since their constant mobility + high single target dps, twitch was a nightmare when he could just Q+R and 2 shot every single squishi target by far while being invisible (at least u can see jinx murder you which leave in more reaction time),draven and mf laning face are totally a nightmare which lead such as cait to not enjoy playing against them, Ashe was hated for her dmg+utility (mostly for her dmg since soloQ is more dmg valuable than utility but having both is way stronger) and jhin for his runes sinergy (hall of blade) or item sinergy (rageblade) Let's not talk about kog'maw when there was the tactic "play enchanter and do a shield bot on him". Varus could probably be the only one that could replace jinx since his utility is mostly tied on only 2 spell (E and R) but if he would be on meta if it's his on hit or a CDR utility build then he would be nerfed because pro play and if he would be for his Q build then i think that the concept would be similar to playing against draven and mf but only with a stronger skill. I'm not sure about xayah but maybe she would end just like ashe when she is good only for her utility+dmg but idk. Sivir is just like jinx when her banrate didn't get that high but despite jinx, sivir has very good ability at higher lv of play. Ezreal when is on meta is too safe or is overturned or probably has finded a new item that he could break and would became too op (recently he abuses his ap ratio with double tear pre nerf and luden post nerf) I didn't include kallista because we all know that if she is on meta then it will be way more of an issue than every single mobility adc in the game and she will need a giganerf. What all this meta got was a relativity high winrate,high pickrate and HIGH BAN RATE 8%-35% mostly. Jinx is the only adc whit High winrate and High pickrate and lower-mediocre banrate 2-4%. I agree that jinx is too strong atm but if she would get nerfed another adc would take her place but at least jinx has a lot of weakness (she doens't dash and this alone as a lot of meaning on soloQ, require a kill to get mobility, has a unreliable cc, a skillshot slow that hit only 1 target and her rocket has an atk speed penalty ) Yes jinx has a lot of dmg but every single other adc had a lot of dmg when they was on meta but they shared more or they just make the laning phase unfun to play against. Unless you wanted to play against a non-adc bot jinx atm seem to be the healthiest marksmen on meta. Maybe varus and sivir could replace jinx in the case but both are way stronger on the pro scene. Probably also kog maw but he has a bit more to offer compared to jinx (%hp dmg and unfun item sinergy).
Ahris1 votesSoloq is safety+ utility heavy than damage. Pro is utility + damage.
If you have any kind of safety in ur kit, then you will be top tier in soloq. Explain how Ahri is ranked S tier ovef Orianna? Or Ekko? I believe Ahri is a B tier champ, but she is only put high because she is not a champ that will feed a ton.