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So how is Viktor top fair? @Meddler

D357R0Y3R··8 votes·2,506 views

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It's not about him being ranged It's not about him running so fast It's not about klepto It's not about his poke

why is this champion able to shield for 20% of his hp almost every two seconds, rusheditem 3111 item 3001 +item 3025 which are TREE PURE TANK ITEMS and deal more damage than Swain with item 3020 item 3027 +item 3165 ?

I don't understand Focusing Viktor is almost a pure lose in 5v5, I can't believe there is something tankier than him with that build , he gets about a hundred of MR and armor, shields himself for 13% mana+24% ap which gives him like 400 hp shield every two seconds, yet is on a midlaner/adc lvl of damage threat?

You're not believing me? literally watch C9 vs FNC, Full AP ekko WITH MR PEN BOOTS couldn't outdamage a full tank Viktor WITHOUT MR PEN BOOTS

To the boards that are in dire of protecting a toxic gameplay I ask you this : what the fuck do I do against Viktor?

Listen I'm not a toplaner, I do not main bruisers I do not main tanks it's pointless to tell me to pick Irelia into him

I'm an ADC main, I get out of laning phase doing fine and encounter someone who I CANNOT KITE, but also CANNOT KILL, and dude is oneshotting me? holy shit Q+AA+R+E and half of my hp is removed from a full tank build mage?

I'm really waiting What do I do against that, the boards is obviously smart and will teach me the game

31 Comments

Rexxiee3 votes

Nobody on the balance team plays top lane, thats why they dont give a shit about viktor top destroying it (and aatrox/urgot).

james2k2 votes

His winrate is only like 51%, there are tons of top laners have higher win rates.

D357R0Y3R4 votes

his win rate is 51.77% in korea and 52% across the world with the highest pick rate of all toplaners

there are tons of top laners have higher win rates.

since you took opgg there are only 4 toplaners who have higher win rate than him and 3 of them have sub 3% pick rate

Sharpest glasses4 votes

Talking about wr without pickrates is dishonest.

james2k1 votes

Pickrate is irrelevant. A champion is picked in 100% of the games they win and lose.

JeaneGreene4 votes

Pickrate is extremely relevant, as it details what demographic is playing the character.If a champion has 50% pick rate, that means that a significant number of new players are playing them, which should drop the win rate. If it doesn’t drop, that means the champion is too consistently good for the game.

james2k1 votes

His pickrate is very low outside of Plat+. In Plat+ it's high at like 10%ish but that's the level of ranked where op.gg, champion.gg, etc. judge that you can accurately measure the strength of a champion without player skill(or well lack thereof, to be precise) clouding the results.

Psyrix1 votes

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His winrate is only like 51%, there are tons of top laners have higher win rates.

Erm... idt u can really base this solely on winrate... it’s a relatively recent build isn’t it? I’m not saying whether or not it’s unhealthy... but most people are learning to play it in a completely different lane, whilst the others are learning to play against it.... the issue comes with playing against it.... most people don’t know how to handle it.

james2k1 votes

Before this build, Viktor didn't go top, so the top winrates match his winrates with this build. You can prove this by going on to Champion.gg which shows his highest winrate build as a top-laner(which is the Ice Gauntlet one), and it gives the same winrate of 51%.

Psyrix1 votes

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Before this build, Viktor didn't go top, so the top winrates match his winrates with this build. You can prove this by going on to Champion.gg which shows his highest winrate build as a top-laner(which is the Ice Gauntlet one), and it gives the same winrate of 51%.

My point is that it’s recent tho... therefore it’s likely there’ll be some fluctuation as people get used to using and playing against the build. If the case is that it’s really unhealthy the winrate will likely increase, if it’s case of learning how to play against it, the winrate will likely stay the same or decrease.

ez mental boom2 votes

There is a window before his first hex core upgrade to abuse him

Ekko, despite what happened in worlds, can be a counterpick.

Sharpest glasses3 votes

Ekko isnt a counterpick. Ekko only counter Viktor on the midlane, Toplane is another story (Bwipo was saying it was a bad champ against a strong one).

Most here dont understand toplane nor play it.

ModKnightsKemplar2 votes

Gonna have to go with the ultimate counter-play here.

You lose to Vik top, your fault for not banning it :^)

Illuminatra2 votes

i played top in normals.

my mistake for not picking viktor and being a scumbag

vgamedude1 votes

Oh no someone you cant kite how awful.

Excuse me if I don't feel particularly sympathetic. Id rather see riot make melee have more reasons to be taken over range in the game then see viktor get nerfed and have another flexible champion guttered.

D357R0Y3R4 votes

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Oh no someone you cant kite how awful.

and can't kill, and deal as much damage as a glass canon mage

yea seems awful to me, it's like

logic? yea

Still waiting for the boards to give me a counterplay as an ADC against an AP Riven with 100 armor 100 mr and range

vgamedude1 votes

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and can't kill, and deal as much damage as a glass canon mage

yea seems awful to me, it's like

logic? yea

Still waiting for the boards to give me a counterplay as an ADC against an AP Riven with 100 armor 100 mr and range

The irony of hearing an adc player talk about counterplay after just talking about kiting lmao

D357R0Y3R4 votes

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The irony of hearing an adc player talk about counterplay

Nice, so rather than confirming it's irony you also confirmed that it has no counterplay that's pretty good at least I don't get to be as tanky as cho'gath while dealing damage :^)

vgamedude2 votes

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Nice, so rather than confirming it's irony you also confirmed that it has no counterplay that's pretty good at least I don't get to be as tanky as cho'gath while dealing damage :^)

As tanky as cho gath? So now were just going completely off the deep end then? I guess ezreal is as tanky as cho gath when he builds iceborn, any boots sans CD boots and a ga as well.

JeaneGreene1 votes

Master Yi

SweedishGunner1 votes

He doesn't deal as much damage as a normal Viktor would though, so the whole more damage part is a fallacy.

I do agree the build isn't healthy though.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

He doesn't deal as much damage as normal viktor but he does build as much damage as other mages that are building glass canon

Iota Theta1 votes

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He doesn't deal as much damage as normal viktor but he does build as much damage as other mages that are building glass canon

...how? If he’s getting Abyssal, IBG, and Merc Treads, he has built 0 AP. That leaves him three slots for AP, how does he build as much damage as a glass cannon who likely is building Banshee, Morello/RoA, Zhonya, Sorc Shoes, Void Staff, plus one extra (like Rabadon’s)?

Edit, only two extra slots, forgot his hexcore, although that boosts his damage

Jinzo Torrance1 votes

25 MR - 18 Mpen = 13 MR left. Hmmm... Yup, Ekko had the advantage there

Plus Ekko messed up early and one time he died without even ulting in a 1v1 so clearly he lost because of Viktor

Love how you complain about a champion when yours has double pickrate with same stats, that builds BC PD Tabi/Merc and Botrk and becomes immortal unless enemy team throws dog food on the ground baiting him to 1v5.

Go back to abusing Morde Blitz bud

D357R0Y3R3 votes

Plus Ekko messed up early and one time he died without even ulting in a 1v1 so clearly he lost because of Viktor

Yes he did, he lost because someone dealt as much damage as him while building tank items

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Love how you complain about a champion when yours has double pickrate with same stats,

What's the point of talking about gameplay and using logical argument if everything is going to turn personal with ad hominem?

Jinzo Torrance1 votes

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Yes he did, he lost because someone dealt as much damage as him while building tank items

OMEGALUL ? He only had a sheen + Hexcore-1 at that point, if Viktor was building towards Lich bane it would've been the same thing

What's the point of talking about gameplay and using logical argument if everything is going to turn personal with ad hominem?

What's the point of talking about gameplay and using logical argument if you twist everything every single time exactly, like right now? Plus citing a game where Xin inted Viktor a kill by literally walking under his tower and using as proof that Viktor is this undefeatable 1v9 machine when all his team was ahead too.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

[{quoted}](name=ADC eat dog food,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gWeBU3Ig,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T00:14:07.687+0000)

OMEGALUL ? He only had a sheen + Hexcore-1 at that point, if Viktor was building towards Lich bane it would've been the same thing

I don't care about that, I'm talking about later in the game where both are trying to get pressure on side lane and ekko can't forcing his own team to help him to get pressure

What's the point of talking about gameplay and using logical argument if you twist everything every single time exactly, l

No I don't, tank viktor damage is retarded, even someone else on the boards pointed it out, you get death recap telling you that his Q dealt 1600 damage, when he used it like 3 times on you and you can't stop him from doing it because he moves so fast, and has low cd on Q, it's just fucking retarded

Plus citing a game where Xin inted Viktor a kill by literally walking under his tower

that was game 1, i'm talking about game 3

proof that Viktor is this undefeatable 1v9 machine when all his team was ahead too. typical argument of someone who has no idea how to win the arguing Nobody is talking about 1v9 machine someone is talking tho about a permaban pick in competitive+highest pick rate of toplane in soloq+52% win rate

Jinzo Torrance1 votes

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I don't care about that, I'm talking about later in the game where both are trying to get pressure on side lane and ekko can't forcing his own team to help him to get pressure

Yeah, guess what happened. Xin and Ekko both fed Viktor early kills and Ekko is an assassin so if he's not ahead he can't do much

that was game 1, i'm talking about game 3

Same thing, Viktor rushes Hexcore-3, Sheen and wins against him solo setting him behind, still no tank items. Ekko then is an assassin so he sucks ass in a team game (that proceeds to build Mpen only so it's clear he doesn't want to match Viktor but wants to target the champions with no MR instead like M2Dog and Aatrox) and then dies a couple time overexented too. At that point viktor has 5 kills (3 from teamfights, 2 got solo with no tank items) and 8 assist from TF, no point talking about what happens.

typical argument of someone who has no idea how to win the arguing Nobody is talking about 1v9 machine, someone is talking tho about a permaban pick in competitive+highest pick rate of toplane in soloq+52% win rate

Yeah, but the same champ has 44% winrate with a 1.66% pickrate in the midlane, and who has bullying melee champs while building the EXACT same as pro are building him (rushing hexcore-3 and buying AP ) ... hmmm, maybe the problem is not Viktor? Maybe it's IBG when used by range to create too much distance or his kit having too many base damages that are tuned to be used against champion who can fight back Viktor without him facetanking them and getting multiple rotations off (like ult has 550~1300 base - E is 410 when augmented -- Ekko goes even with him in top but has a 3% winrate against him in mid where he can kill Viktor very easily later in the game -- game 2 Viktor was getting one shot and couldn't do any damage). No fallacy here, just friendly talk :)

WalkingInACircle1 votes

Ice born gauntlet is not a pure tank item.

I'd figure jayce into him. Or Mundo?

Lauchmelder1 votes

{quoted} item 3111 item 3001 +item 3025 which are TREE PURE TANK ITEMS

lmao Merc Treads aren't full tank boots I would even argue that Abyssal Mask isn't a pure tank item either.

Noor Sakata1 votes

I remember in FNC VS C9 Ekko e q aa and applied his passive to Viktor did 0 dmg somehow

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