PSA-building sightstone on a support is necessary.

Marshbouy·Jul 8, 2016·12 votes·681 views

Not doing so will put you behind. Even if you are "supporting" you need to buy the sightstone. The vision and map control provided is far more valuable than the 55Ap you could buy in AP.

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sheldonbunnyJul 8, 20165 votes

Or simply buy Eye of Oasis/Watchers/Equinox. Still do not understand why they aren't more popular.

MarshbouyJul 8, 20162 votes

me too. watchers op on veigar support

sheldonbunnyJul 8, 20161 votes

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me too. watchers op on veigar support

Watchers on any of the ap supports is really. It's amazing on Sona coupled with Lich Bane.

rtbf221651412Jul 8, 20161 votes

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Watchers on any of the ap supports is really. It's amazing on Sona coupled with Lich Bane.

Unless you are building item 3083 on Soraka . At that point, you may want to consider item 2303 or item 2045 .

sheldonbunnyJul 8, 20161 votes

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Unless you are building on . At that point, you may want to consider or .

Actually I use Eye of the Oasis for Soraka. Does very well for sustain early game until you have more items.

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lux. morgana. veigar. sona. All of these supports are better off with second item ludens' echo. MAYBE lategate sightstone is good. IF your team is losing hard and is incompetant at placing their own wards.

WIth a good team though, sightstone is unneccesary.

Incorrect. I buy this order for my aggressive ap Sona build: Eye of the watchers, boots, lich bane, and then luden's. Watchers plus Lich gives you all the mana you'll need.

A support should always buy a sightstone. Vision and denial of vision is our responsibility to the team. Yes, everyone on the team is expected to ward, but it is our job to be sweeping which requires an alternative source of wards. Personally i'm equally vexed by fake supports who don't buy sightstone and junglers who don't bother to buy sweeper.

This is only regularly argued about by low ranked players i've noticed. Where people are more concerned with team death match than actual methodical play.

DeathBurstJul 8, 20161 votes

^ This, so much this. You need a Sightstone as support, period. You may be "carrying" with a huge score, chances are that you will still cost the game to your team because the enemy team managed this perfect ambush and aced you in late game, because you didn't have (or use properly) this sightstone/sweeper.

DeathBurstJul 8, 20161 votes

Lich bane on Sona should be built very rarely on Sona, only if you are completely snowballing the game, or if you are ahead as a 5th item, imho. It's worse than Luden's if you don't have more than 200 AP, which means you're better building Luden as 3rd-4th item in most cases. And in more tense games, Sona's role is not to deal damage.

But coming back to the original topic: yes Watchers is damn good on Sona, because she wants to rush plenty of other items. Athenes, Censer, Aegis, Ludens are all more interesting than FQC, and you have only 6 slots. But that's not true of "any AP support". Zyra or Annie really like FQC to set up their combo, for instance, and I would never buy Watchers on these two. I have no personal experience of Lux, but seeing how the champ is usually played, I bet it's the same thing too.

Quil EvrythingJul 8, 20164 votes

PSA: EVERYONe gets TWO FREE WARDS. if you dont use them, you have no one but yourself to blame.

and no, AP is more valuable on certain supports.

SwiftKitten88Jul 8, 20163 votes

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PSA: EVERYONe gets TWO FREE WARDS. if you dont use them, you have no one but yourself to blame.

and no, AP is more valuable on certain supports.

no it isnt... there are NO supports that are better without a sightstone. getting item 3098 , item 3675 , and item 2043 with your first 875 is fine.. but there are really no circumstances where you shouldn't have item 2049 before you grab anything else...

there was only ONE game where our support idnt buy a sightstone until past 30 and i was "ok" with that. and thats becuase their jungler's d/ced 4 min in and there was no way we could get ganked.

but even then.. lategame at 35 min when laning phase was long over i asked her to get a item 2049

Quil EvrythingJul 8, 20161 votes

lux. morgana. veigar. sona. All of these supports are better off with second item ludens' echo. MAYBE lategate sightstone is good. IF your team is losing hard and is incompetant at placing their own wards.

WIth a good team though, sightstone is unneccesary.

SwiftKitten88Jul 8, 20162 votes

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MAYBE lategate sightstone is good. IF your team is losing hard and is incompetant at placing their own wards.

that seems kinds of hypocritical coming from a person saying that he isn't going to buy a warding item

With a good team though, sightstone is unnecessary.

do u expect EVERY jungler to get item 1410 to ward what you aren't?

how do u expect people to keep the map properly warded at all times?

do u just decided NEVER to get item 3364 to clear out thier wards.

item 3363 doesn't have charges, doesn't give as much vision, you cant tele to it, and can easily be killed.

and yet it is absolutely required in matches where were you are severely pushed back and you can risk walking blind into the jungle item 3364 is absolutely necessary to deny vision on at LEAST 1 champ and 2 is preferable. 3 of 4 if they have Shaco

there is no way in hell you can properly ward the map with 2 players having item 3364 1 player having item 3363 and 2 players having item 3340

even if your teams stores 2 charges on item 3340 AND your jungler has item 1410

its still only 7 wards for the ENTIRE map.

and when those wards die.. you will only have ONE ward. until the charges come back.. then you will have FOUR. (5 if the item 3363 wasn't kill)

that is NOWHERE NEAR enough vision

that's why you see LCS players not only getting item 2049 on the support.. but sometimes on the top, or jungler too

EddardStark84Jul 8, 20162 votes

The grammar and spelling mistakes aside, that was a great post my dude.

DeathBurstJul 8, 20163 votes

With a good team, your jungler has Sweeper, your ADC has a blue trinket, and your mid probably too. So no, in a "good team" you don't have two free wards per player. Buy this bloody sightstone and swap your trinket to sweeper too.

NarvuntienJul 8, 20164 votes

The sightstone line of items is necessary and I will nag you constantly in game until do it. item 2049 item 2045 item 2303 item 2302 item 2301

Perhaps I will have some leniency if... the jungler has item 1409 .

Yes I have item 3361 but do you want to put me in danger while I go around warding, I will switch to item 3462 as soon as I can, while that is going to be momentarily useful at keeping me safe they wont be able to allow us to track the enemies movements long term.

We need wards so we know where the enemy is, so we can position correctly and know when it is safe to go for objectives. Warding is key to winning the game. Support is a marco game role like it is for jungle, your job is more than keeping the adc alive your job is to get your team objectives. If you are going around trying to get kills by buying AP items you are not playing support you are playing a mage in bot lane.

Buy sightstone or don't take my support role.

LuggJul 8, 20161 votes

This is especially true now since there are so many good options to choose from.

MarshbouyJul 8, 20161 votes

yes

TyrekGoldenspearJul 9, 20161 votes

I'm sorry, but no amount of sightstone wards will save you from a Sion charging down the river with Oracle's Alteration active.

Seriously though, is upgrading sightstone to Ruby sightstone worth when I have Ancient coin and can combine them instead?

MarshbouyJul 9, 20162 votes

except that there is a global noise indicating sion ulting. but yes. all the items count.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 9, 20161 votes

Okay, so I should combine sightstone and ancient coin to eye of the oasis instead of keeping sightstone, upgrading to Ruby sightstone, then upgrading coin to talisman of ascension?

These questions keep me up all night whenever I think of trying support.

SwiftKitten88Jul 9, 20161 votes

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except that there is a global noise indicating sion ulting. but yes. all the items count.

yeah and that fact that its like.. oh wow... we had vision on mid lane.. i hear scions ulti and look my vision in mid lane is SUDDENLY gone.... wonder where scion could possible be..

SukishooJul 9, 20161 votes

No, NOT building a GOLD INCOME item is what will put you behind. Sightstone is very important but there are also many out there who do not build an income item and this is what will put them massively behind. I main support and always ALWAYS build both income and sightstone, be them in one item or the two separates as I've seen many that don't build either and that is their real downfall.

sheldonbunnyJul 9, 20161 votes

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No, NOT building a GOLD INCOME item is what will put you behind. Sightstone is very important but there are also many out there who do not build an income item and this is what will put them massively behind. I main support and always ALWAYS build both income and sightstone, be them in one item or the two separates as I've seen many that don't build either and that is their real downfall.

Which is why you buy the Eyes line of support items. Sightstone and a gold income item rolled into one. Easy peasy.

SukishooJul 9, 20161 votes

Yes, however the utility from the original gold items can be very useful as well. Which is why it depends on who you are playing and what is best needed. As I said I do either.

sheldonbunnyJul 9, 20161 votes

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Yes, however the utility from the original gold items can be very useful as well. Which is why it depends on who you are playing and what is best needed. As I said I do either.

Personally i'm not fond of the original line. It becomes tedious juggling an entire inventory full of items needing activation. I try to keep it to 3 max so my head doesn't explode. :P

Overall it's playstyle preference, which is why having two lines is nice for variety.