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We could use a rework for all of the "just good at everything" champions

JavelinJoe··2 votes·266 views

Lucian Ezreal Lulu Karma Graves Yasuo to name a few. Basically those champions who have a good offense and a good defense. Have early game power and scale at least decently (or sometimes start an unstoppable snowball) into mid and late. They can zone, poke, kite, and trade better than many, and when they want to, they can go all in and come out on top most of the time. Not to mention their mobility. Yet you somehow never seem to be able to shut them down completely. Just put them slightly behind at best case, where 1 wrong move on your end will bring them right back in and often put them ahead of you because of their tendency to snowball. You see them every game. Whether banned out or picked, they will show up sometime. These "jack of all trades, master of some" champions. So I think it is about time that they got some re-balancing. So that they are not as easy to snowball with and/or have at least a few weaknesses and notable weak points in the game.

7 Comments

The Sword Saint4 votes

Can't help but point out that almost all of those champions have limited range and/or cc.

Big Lincoln2 votes

Lucian isn't good at everything though

he's just a massive stat check where he jumps on you and either crushes you or gets his face stomped in; the only way to rectify this is some form of utility or safety net

my only issue with him is that he's a horse shit lane bully who still scales hard. ADCs shouldn't ever have strong lane phases when their kits and items permit them a strong late by definition

Fondling Gems2 votes

Honestly most of those champions aren't good at everything. Ezreal is not a tank shredder, and if he builds burst he loses survivability. Karma lacks good sustained damage, Lulu certainly isn't going to be bursting things and neither can fulfill the role of a healer, Yasuo isn't a great roamer nor does he have safe waveclear.

Out of all of them I would say Graves is the most all rounder of all of them and even then he lacks siege power and kiting potential.

fuffychan1 votes

I came in here expecting champs like Camille LeeSin but you have Ezreal ?Karma ? Really? Lol

JavelinJoe1 votes

I would love a Lee sin rework. He has been due for something for a while now.

The Last Ballad1 votes

Lulu? Weaker early game, stronger late game. Has some poke, and is good against engagers, but so weak against poke and sustain champs. Either the poke supports blow her out of the water, or the sustain champs do her job, but better.

Karma? Has early poke, but is regulated to being a shield bot late game. Has a tether root, which does squat against assassins(at least before they delete their target) and a 35% slow.

I also love that you are complaining about generalist champs, but neglect to mention any of the champs that can be played in nearly any role, and build to emulate nearly any class, with a decent amount of success. Care to explain why these champs are neglected?

JavelinJoe1 votes

I was not necessarily looking for champions who could play any role with moderate success. I was more aiming to those champions who are in 1 main role and maybe a secondary, and can play aggressive or passive but without much consequence if they fail simply because of how their kit is "loaded" (for lack of a better word).

Either the poke supports blow her out of the water, or the sustain champs do her job, but better.

This is kinda of my point. While champions who are based around a specific attribute, like healing or poke, usually out preform these "generalist" champions in that field, they are limited to that 1 field where the "generalist" has multiple options open to them to use.

For example, take Blitzcrank. Great engage, good CC, good peel, good zoning potential. But everything he does is personal where it only applies to him or the enemy. He cant shield an ally, speed them up, or heal / give health to them. Then look at Lulu. Has an OK engage, but good zoning, great CC, great peel, has a shield, has a heal / health up? (ult), has mobility, has empowered autos and most of which she can give to an ally.

Also, I did only just list a few champions I personally have an issue and most familiarity with. I am 100% positive there are more than just my 6. But because I do not play them or play as them or with them in lane often enough, they did not come to my mind while making the post is all.

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