Why the heck not?
-on the PBE, seeker's armguard now costs 300 more gold for an increase of 5 armor (When cloth armor costs 300 gold and gives 15), as well as zonyas costing another 300 gold total. Yeah, let's nerf the already-weak counterplay item that mages have to AD assassins after producing an AD assassin item.
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ProfDrDeath2 votesI don't know which PBE notes you're reading, but both the wiki and S@20 do only show the recipe incorporating another Cloth Armor, changing the combine cost from 465 gold to 165 gold (leaving total cost the same).
Slamurai Jack2 votesYou dare oppose the circlejerk? We don't like your kind here, with your facts and functioning brain. Begone heathen!
CppL1 votesHmm they nerfed seeker's ,but hexdringer is untouched ,who completlly shut down ap champs :/ intresting.
Critmaster Garen1 votesjust rework the fucking zonyas already and turn it into an ap scaling shield.
it would essentially do the same job, while freing up power budget to make the item a lot cheaper and just stop the aoe engage/zonyas cheese that a lot of champions are using it for.
when it comes to defensive mechanics there are other possibilities than stasis.
is a great item with a good defensive mechanic for mages. i never felt cheated when a mage survived because of a well timed seraphs shield. but zonyas just has too much cheese potential on certain champs and is often use to circumvent counterplay for certain abilities. it makes you feel more like you got beaten by the games mechanics than outplayed by your opponent.
remove zonyas passive and give mages better alternatives.
CppL1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gEHlEaQ7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-02-05T08:44:53.738+0000)
just rework the fucking zonyas already and turn it into an ap scaling shield.
it would essentially do the same job, while freing up power budget to make the item a lot cheaper and just stop the aoe engage/zonyas cheese that a lot of champions are using it for.
when it comes to defensive mechanics there are other possibilities than stasis.
remove zonyas passive and give mages better alternatives.
All ap item costs was increased by ,alot.Ad items was bufed.Hexdrinker item destroys ap champs...If they do that ,that would be the last nain into the coffin for ap champs.
Critmaster Garen1 votesAll ap item costs was increased by ,alot.Ad items was bufed.Hexdrinker item destroys ap champs...If they do that ,that would be the last nain into the coffin for ap champs.
no it wouldnt. im not saying dont leave them with alternatives. of course they need a replacement for zonyas in defensive options.
also saying that this woudld destroy ap champs because theyre losing out on a op cheese mechanic is short sighted. a cheaper zonyas with a shield active means they would have a defensive option more early on before the assassin already snowballed against them.
so much of zonyas cost effectiveness is in its active, that it would be difficult to make the components of the item better for mages early on without making the item totally overpowered.
the biggest problem mages have right now is that it takes a lot of time and gold until they have their defensive items built. zonyas and seraphs are actually crazy good once theyre finished, and mages dont need better defense once they have these items. but they often lose hard against assassins before they get there. its more a matter of pacing than a lack of options.
so i say remove zonyas active and give it a more healthy defensive mechanic that isnt abused for offensive cheese. and give them another early game item to fare better in lane against the all in of assassins.
Critmaster Garen1 votesok, wait. excuse me op, but are you retarded?
Seeker's Armguard
Armor increased to 30 from 25. Recipe changes - Now Builds out of [Amp. Tome + Cloth Armor + Cloth Armor + 165 gold] from [Cloth Armor + Amp. Tome + 465 gold]
this is clearly not a nerf but a buff. seekers armguard gets 5 more armor and a recipe change that gives you more armor before you finish the item.
you can pick up an extra cloth armor and buy the item for 165 gold instead of 465 gold with 1 cloth armor. this changes nothing about its overall cost but gives you a smoother build path.
