vayne W needs a cooldown

Frius·Aug 8, 2016·9 votes·1,063 views

it already applies too fast with Q and E ,then lets say u have 2 attack/s thats 12% MAX HP TRUE DMG every 1.5 ,which is beyond broken lets say u attack someone with 3k hp ,and they have 300 armor ,but what does it matters ,its % true dmg which has no counter then you take 360 true dmg every 1.5 + auto attack dmg also.

i think % true dmg is very unhealthy /toxic i really hate playing against % dmg ,esp true dmg,sure counter attack speed ,randuin /frozen heart ... THATS ALL??????

my suggestion is to add like 3 s CD on vaynes W between applies. so that i dont get melted in several seconds with things like 100 basic attack and 800 true dmg or later 500 basic ,1.5k true dmg on armored.,

i am anti true dmg things like darius R are fixed or Garen vs villain only ,which is 1% per attack or spin but its not 100% uptime,K

24 Comments

MarshbouyAug 8, 20163 votes

No. It would gut her kit. EDIT: What would be the compensation?

Rain NTAug 8, 20161 votes

I would say short cd E and higher ad ratio Q. To be honest if I were to change Vayne kit at all this is how I would do it.

Vayne ult slightly change so that Q goes on cd immediately after use even if she doesnt hit someone with Q, so she can use Q constantly during her ult so he can be mobile + more invis even without dealing damage with Q. Increase duration

Increase Vayne Q cd by 1 second to compensate, but given 10+ range and 20+range when used during ult.

W has a 6s cd, last for 6-7-8-9-10s per level, and cost 20-25-30-35-40 mana. Same mechanic

Boom, less tank buster true damage + for more range more invis. My fun player vayne is going into ult and invis everywhere, and now with the range on Q it will be easier to teamfight.

Even then I still think its a nerf, if this gut her then I say increase base damage on Q as well or decrease the mana and CD on W.

MarshbouyAug 8, 20161 votes

So literally rework her entire kit, even when she is a balanced ADC. I feel like that is a horrendous idea.

Rain NTAug 8, 20161 votes

Read above, I told the guy that Vayne doesnt need a change, shes perfectly balanced right now. I'm saying if she ever needs a rework, thats what I would do. IF SHE EVER NEEDS it, but right now she doesnt, and I actually think she underpowered right now, just slightly but still weak.

MarshbouyAug 8, 20162 votes

ok. I was looking for compensation that the author of the post would tell me.

Rain NTAug 8, 20161 votes

Whats up with all these down votes this guy is getting? Hes right, Vayne is perfectly fine right now. O.o

And yeah Im just saying my idea on how to make her better for higher elo and easier to handle at lower elo.

HongChongDongAug 8, 20163 votes

Vayne is in a perfectly balanced state right now. She's the only ADC capable of solo carrying thanks to her anti armor stacking and invis but this is only viable if the player is extremely skilled with her, otherwise she's like any other ADC and is easily killable with lock down as most horrible vaynes will try to go full gosu and tumble right into the enemy team trying to 1v5.

CubíxAug 8, 20162 votes

I feel like giving it cooldown would cripple vaynes kit. Though one way I think could balance it would be to cause the third proc to only do the true damage and not the auto damage, because I can understand the true damage to fight tanks and bruisers but the true damage and the physical damage (late game it will probably always be a crit too) applies a bunch of damage to non-tanks and causes them to not really be able to fight back. I think cause her third consecutive auto to only to true damage would show that she's the adc that does better against tanks than non tanks.

Mira Arya EntheAug 8, 20162 votes

Yes, please make Vayne completely unplayable. Not because she is OP, nonono, so I can stop seeing idiots playing her and diving 1v5 while being the most Toxic players next to Riven mains.

archerno1Aug 8, 20161 votes

I agree, we should give it 1 sec CD.

redfeenixAug 8, 20161 votes

How about changing it to a 4 hit passive. 4 symbolizes Death in Chinese so it would make sense for Riot to adopt.

Encourages more AD builds instead of AS if people dont wanna rely on the w dmg.

Rain NTAug 8, 20161 votes

Shes so weak I dont understand anymore nerfs to her, whenever I see a vayne on the other team I laugh cause by mid game shes gonna die over and over anyway. Theres a reason why she isnt played at competitive at all. And no where to be seen at higher elo, even hiimgosu/and doublelift doesnt play her often anymore.

I play adc and the only time I would play vayne is if I think the opposing team is utter trash and my mechanics are higher. Sometimes I lose, something I get win. But damn she is not overpowered at all, prob one of the most balanced adc atm. Ashe is broken right now, does so much damage with max Q mid game + hurricane. Caitlyn is real strong atm, Jhin does so much damage early to mid, Lucian hurts too, and Sivir is a monster late game.

Play vayne before saying shes OP, if you get 3-5 wins in a row with her where you carried, then I'll agree with you, but most likely you arent going to, trust me. Most player including myself who do play adc cannot.

Romans VI XXIIIAug 8, 20161 votes

% max HP true damage is broken I agree, but continue your math out a bit, 1.5s for 12% HP = 8.33s for the true damage alone to kill you at 2 att/s. Usually vaynes kill you alot faster than that :P

Its not her % max HP damage alone that makes her so stupid. its also the Free AD on her Ult. with the Free AD and the W it complements building AS way to much.

Look at your death recap next time a vayne kills you. in truth she only gets 1 or 2 maybe 3 procs off her W mid-late game, its the Free AD on her ult that shits on people just as much as her W.

redfeenixAug 8, 20161 votes

I dont think vayne needs any nerfs atm. Shes is more fun than the demon hunter (valla), and her skins / VO is sick.

Think Vayne is in a great spot. The most balanced state shes been in years.

ReZisT LustAug 8, 20161 votes

i go max cdr so the world can burn on my 1.2 secomnd q roll

GULAG 4 UAug 8, 20161 votes

The problem is vayne isn't strong. If she was strong yeah that would be a good way to nerf her, but remember: She's a tank buster with a very weak laning phase. Tank busting is her identity.

General LeviAug 8, 20161 votes

Vayne is already the worst adc in the game atm, why nerf her more?

Treune81Aug 8, 20161 votes

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Vayne is already the worst adc in the game atm, why nerf her more?

Kalista, Corki?

General LeviAug 9, 20161 votes

They still beat out vayne early game

Axe2HandleAug 8, 20161 votes

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it already applies too fast with Q and E ,then lets say u have 2 attack/s thats 12% MAX HP TRUE DMG every 1.5 ,which is beyond broken lets say u attack someone with 3k hp ,and they have 300 armor ,but what does it matters ,its % true dmg which has no counter then you take 360 true dmg every 1.5 + auto attack dmg also.

i think % true dmg is very unhealthy /toxic i really hate playing against % dmg ,esp true dmg,sure counter attack speed ,randuin /frozen heart ... THATS ALL??????

my suggestion is to add like 3 s CD on vaynes W between applies. so that i dont get melted in several seconds with things like 100 basic attack and 800 true dmg or later 500 basic ,1.5k true dmg on armored.,

i am anti true dmg things like darius R are fixed or Garen vs villain only ,which is 1% per attack or spin but its not 100% uptime,K

You hurt my brain from reading through all this fragmented bullshit.

FriusAug 9, 20161 votes

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Axe2HandleAug 9, 20161 votes

My bad, didn't notice you were EU. Your sentence structure can be forgiven. Your points are still garbage. You do realize all of Vaynes abilities are Single target. Also, you have to be in AA range.

FriusAug 9, 20161 votes

did trump cancered ur mind? natards