riven`s animation cancelling ,now they discovered CC canceling? now riven is immune to stuns? wtf

Frius·Dec 12, 2016·267 votes·16,673 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC_i_mHP-xo

256 Comments

KivolanDec 12, 2016104 votes

Yessss she's going to get disabled again, oh happy day

SaiannaDec 12, 201650 votes

Pffffffffffffff hahahaha

Maybe after half a year when everyone will master this. And what will Riot do? I bet -5 AD nerf on her shield will fix it.

WolfeurDec 12, 20164 votes

Remove AD from a shield… Sure… ######I'm fully aware of the -5 AD meme, but this is still stupid

Toa InnodenceDec 12, 201616 votes

foreal tho, her sheild scales with ad. its the dumbest thing.

90/120/150/180/210 (+100% bonus Attack Damage)

HawkefireDec 12, 20166 votes

Honestly I don't think the AD scaling on her shield is necessarily the problem. The problem is that she also has a metric fuckton of mobility and a decent amount of CC to boot, and when you combine those things it just pushes it over the top.

If she had an AD scaling shield with a moderate amount of CC (basically the same amount she has now) but little to no mobility (perhaps removing some of the dashes on her Q and keeping the dash on her shield?), I think she would be fine. Conversely if they removed her CC and cut her mobility by a bit (such as perhaps removed the dash on her shield, but keeping the dashes on her Q), I think that she would probably be fine.

SkiasDec 13, 201612 votes

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Honestly I don't think the AD scaling on her shield is necessarily the problem. The problem is that she also has a metric fuckton of mobility and a decent amount of CC to boot, and when you combine those things it just pushes it over the top.

If she had an AD scaling shield with a moderate amount of CC (basically the same amount she has now) but little to no mobility (perhaps removing some of the dashes on her Q and keeping the dash on her shield?), I think she would be fine. Conversely if they removed her CC and cut her mobility by a bit (such as perhaps removed the dash on her shield, but keeping the dashes on her Q), I think that she would probably be fine.

She's always been a problem when shes even remotely strong. Her rabid fan base is like Yasuo and Lee's. They don't want her overloaded kit to get trimmed. Meanwhile, Azir had the same thing and got orbital nuked.

HawkefireDec 13, 20164 votes

True true. Even when she isn't strong you can often find people complaining about her. Her kit pretty much sets her up so well that the game becomes hers to lose.

President Swa1nDec 13, 20161 votes

Disregarding the fact that a bunch of other champions have shields scaling with AD or AP

HawkefireDec 13, 20163 votes

The problem isn't that she has a shield scaling off AD. It is the combination of having a shield scaling off her favorite stat, decent amount of CC, and a lot of mobility. Eliminate one of those things and she would not only be less frustrating to play against, but also significantly easier to balance as well.

Personally I think an AD scaling shield is pretty neat, and like the idea of having an ability that does it. The catch is, the champion that has an ability that does that should give up something for it, and frankly Riven doesn't really give up much for it.

ShifuneDec 12, 201652 votes

I can see Riot's response now, "We decided to leave crown control cancelling for Riven in the game because everyone sucks at Riven without it."

I mean, that's basically what they did when her animation cancelling became a thing.

OleandervineDec 12, 201624 votes

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I can see Riot's response now, "We decided to leave crown control cancelling for Riven in the game because everyone sucks at Riven without it."

I mean, that's basically what they did when her animation cancelling became a thing.

I personally think from a gaming standpoint that having part of a character's endorsed learning curve be to learn how to properly gimmick animations is an atrocity and awful. A champion should be good based on how they are built, not how well they cheese with the programming.

Chromatic EagleDec 12, 201615 votes

Isn't that the logic behind ward hops?

Spaceman5pffDec 12, 20164 votes

And kiting

MohawkBirdDec 13, 20168 votes

But the difference is that every champion in this game can benefit from kiting, and it adds an intended mechanic to the game as a whole rather than 1 single champion. Riven is the only champion that I know of that relies (note I say relies and not has) on animation cancelling to perform at an extreme level.

Not a lot of other champions have ability based animation cancels in their kit. Even when they do, though, they are not as gamebreaking or as impactful as Riven's have been.

OglafDec 12, 201649 votes

Riven is lucky that Yasou exist to take all the heat of from her, really.

General Esdeath Dec 12, 20167 votes

Only if you're on boards and never in ranked :^)

SaiannaDec 12, 201642 votes

Lets take bets when will Riot notice and acknowledge this problem:

a) in 1-3 months b) in 4-6 months c) in a year d) never

I'm guessing it's somewhere between c) or d)... Closer to d) though.

DrCyanideDec 12, 20169 votes

Last time something like this came up it was Recall Cancelling, and it resulted in her being disabled that day. Then they found out it wasn't just Riven, and they disabled Ranked for a day or two trying to fix it.

AirKingNeoDec 12, 20163 votes

Welcome to Season 6 where nothing gets done.

A Basic IslandDec 12, 201636 votes

so riven can get in additional attacks, and avoid cc

but shaco can't have his backstab+crit

okay

TequilaZombieDec 12, 20165 votes

I expected Graves and Cigars joke. Was not disappointed.

Laxfan52Dec 12, 20167 votes

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so riven can get in additional attacks, and avoid cc

but shaco can't have his backstab+crit

okay

And graves can't have his cigar

ApexInTheCircleDec 12, 201622 votes

NO, this is not okay!

THE RlVER KlNGDec 12, 201618 votes

Can we just delete Riven and put Boxbox into the game instead

dominusxDec 12, 201610 votes

depends if he is going to wear the arcade cosplay or not.

MagikarpIsBossDec 12, 20165 votes

They will probably release BoxBox as normal and about 2 years later release the cosplay as a new skin.

IcyPepperDec 12, 201615 votes

"super useful"

Really hope people don't exploit the bug.

Dextix LTDec 12, 20165 votes

I mean, if her attack animation canceling is not a bug according to Rito, then this wont be either.

IcyPepperDec 12, 20165 votes

Nah, I wouldn't say that's a fair comparison at all, a slippery slope logical fallacy at best. Every champion to some extent can animation cancel IIRC (orb-walking with their aa's, and maybe some spells can have their animations ended early), but Riven is balanced around it. It's not tacked on, if Riven's animation cancelling was removed entirely she would have to be retuned to function without it.

Besides, this isn't the first time her animation cancelling had led to other things being cancelled. A few months ago, Riven players would instantly recall by "cancelling" the recall animation. They fixed that, labeled it a bug exploit if anyone abused it, and life went on. This is no different.

Hell WeekDec 12, 201610 votes

theyre probably releasing another riven skin

AMYS GRAVEDec 12, 20169 votes

POST THIS IN REPORT A BUG!

FegoneDec 12, 20169 votes

Just remove Riven from the Champion Pool. And while we're at it, she can take Yasuo with her, wherever she goes. Thanks.

rtbf225618241Dec 12, 20167 votes

Am i the only one who hates Riven's kit simply because it is centered around breaking the game? I mean i seriously doubt animation cancelling was a mechanic implemented into League on purpose.

Especially since because most people can't do that, including me, she can't be played "properly" as in at 100% equal potential if you get what i mean. You're still missing that one thing she "has" in her kit since you can't break the game the same way others have learned to abuse it.

TeCoolMageDec 13, 20167 votes

inb4 Riot: "While this was a glitch initially, our playtest team found it to add strategical depth and enjoyment to the champion."

MortekaiserDec 12, 20166 votes

any champion with a dash is able to do this

tristana, ezreal, and riven are the big ones that come to mind

MunchCrunchLunchDec 12, 201663 votes

thats completely false. ezreal does not cancel cc. there is a split second during cast animation that he will get stunned but during animation and he wil lstill be stunned after he moves. or whatever snared and what not.

same with tristana.

their abilities are not instant. there is animation. and they can still be cced during it but the ability is not a channel so it still works.

however those are the only 2 examples this does not work on any other champion besides riven. riven is completely canceling the effect without getting OUT OF THE CC AREA.

therealdragonDec 12, 201621 votes

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thats completely false. ezreal does not cancel cc. there is a split second during cast animation that he will get stunned but during animation and he wil lstill be stunned after he moves. or whatever snared and what not.

same with tristana.

their abilities are not instant. there is animation. and they can still be cced during it but the ability is not a channel so it still works.

however those are the only 2 examples this does not work on any other champion besides riven. riven is completely canceling the effect without getting OUT OF THE CC AREA.

Yes but the abilities still follow through. As you can see in the video, at the end of Riven's dash she's still stunned for like .5s.

Instead of knockups and stuns which only last like half a second, try it with Morgana's Q. If she's not snared then yes, there's a problem. But she most likely will be snared as all these cc are in fact applying. It's just Riven's Q has to finish then the cc finishes. Notice when naut goes for her she gets bumped and snared after dashing.

If she doesn't get snared when hit with Morgana's Q, yes this'll be a bug. But all of these are normal. Try all these test cases out with Ez and trist and you'll see they 'cancel' as well.

SalronDec 12, 20161 votes

Yeah I'm sure Trist can go through poppy W

Mighty MorteinDec 12, 20162 votes

I believe the only dash/jump that can go through it is Maokai's W - Twisted Advance. Every other movement spell that isnt a blink gets knocked back. Excluding Malphite, Sion, Vi ults.

SH AzykanDec 12, 20161 votes

pretty sure I have gone through many poppy W's with Vi's ult

IWasteEssenceDec 12, 20168 votes

Thats why he said exlcuding the vi/malph/sion ult.

GayFluffyUnicornDec 12, 20168 votes

That's because Maokais W makes him invulnerable or untargetable one of the two can't recall it right now haven't played him for a while.

BisaknospDec 12, 20166 votes

this is beyond bullshit

MagikarpIsBossDec 12, 20165 votes

What if Riven and are actually in a secret relationship. As a gift, Gangplank gives Riven his special cc-immune oranges. Riven recently has been able to use them in battle without anyone knowing to get rid of cc.

Bligewater event 2 confirmed?

ZerenzaDec 12, 20165 votes

This is an animation cancel...she isn't avoiding the CC just canceling the animation for it(except with the hooks) basically if she uses her E+Q combo(also an animation cancel) it prevent's the hook from pulling her but she get's stunned once her E+Q ends.

For the knockups the same thing applies, the riven player isn't canceling the CC he's just timed his E or E+Q to take up the full duration of the knock up so he isn't doing nothing during it, he's still technically CCed, i'm fairly sure if yasuo were level 6 he could still ult off of it even if she used the cancel.

For the hook one it should be noted that any champion with a dash or blink can theoretically do this, Ezreal can for example. And for the second one i imagine anyone with a similar dash to Riven, such as fiora can probably do it as well. It's just an animation thing, you can actually still see the white bar above riven that signifies she's CCed it just doesn't look like it.

Edit: It's likely that with longer knockups, or knockups that have longer durations than her E+Q combo, it won't work.

Meep ManDec 12, 201616 votes

This is still something that PROBABLY shouldn't happen though.

ZerenzaDec 12, 20163 votes

I mean yeah probably but every champ with a dash or blink can do it XD it's not limited to riven.

It's riot's coding that's at fault here so yeah it shouldn't happen but it's not just riven's fault lol

Meep ManDec 12, 20163 votes

Dashes are strange at times. Some champions with a dash or blink actually can't do this OR gain a lot less from being able to do it. Riven's entire counterplay is finding ways to stop her damage output and being able to pull out some damage, even a limited amount, while under the effects of CC makes her MUCH stronger. I don't blame any Riven players for using this because it's technically just a side effect of animation canceling, but it's only further proof in my eyes that Riven herself is a broken champion. She was modeled off of Marth (at least her Q was) and it seems she herself as a champion embodies the Smash Bros games as far as how skill is calculated (how well can I find ways to abuse the game mechanics/find strengthening bugs). Not saying Riven players or Smash Bros players (or Smash Bros in general, love the games) are bad, but I personally despise how you are supposed to get competitive with them.

agbudarDec 12, 20168 votes

yea that breaks the champion trying to hook you Blitzcrank his entire kit relies on the hook working as intended.