Can you stop Ryze from pressuring a lane with mana items?

D357R0Y3R·11/5/2019, 6:41:24 AM·37 votes·14,063 views

https://youtu.be/FGWGbA47YhQ?t=188

He's a LATE GAME champion late game

Why is he dealing more/as much damage as early game champions like leblanc with tear and cataclysm? this is unreal it's not enough that he's a "mage" with 200 armor and now you want to make him a lane bully too?

the best part is that he's not even getting nerfed in next patch [zombie-brand-facepalm]

66 Comments

Hayaishi211/5/2019, 7:00:21 AM27 votes

His 5th rework and they still can't get it right. Jesus how incompetent can they be?

BeatzBoyFTW11/5/2019, 7:14:56 AM15 votes

Ryze felt extremely too easy to play after his latest rework, in terms of lane-abusing enemy champions, especially melee ones when all he needs to do is spam the simple EQ combo. There will never be a time where Riot will get Ryze done & properly balanced.

Aryan MasterRage11/5/2019, 11:53:38 AM11 votes

Ryze counters Vlad. You cannot play Vlad vs Ryze without having pretty serious jungle help. Also he's not that tanky, he doesn't build stuff like FH or visage anymore. The only tanky effect compared to regular mages is the active from Seraph's.

I think his rework was really bad. He's supposed to be an entry-level mage with short range and sustained damage and ability to build somewhat tankier items and still do respectable dps. Now he has an ultimate that is one of the hardest abilities in the game to use effectively and his spell damage is too high for being a sustained dps.

The solution should be to pretty much revert his rework. Nerf his base damages and ratios. Replace the ulti with something that gives fighting power like his old ultimate to make him more reliant on ulti to get kills.

The Bad Touch11/5/2019, 3:47:50 PM7 votes

Damn that streamer is such an annoying little manlet. How do people watch crap like that?

l MrD l11/5/2019, 11:53:32 AM6 votes

Yeh when this was in worlds G2 Vs SKT the game i saw G2 WIn ...i literally felt so bad for SKT they couldnt stop a ryze from splitting... an AP mage splitting .... it took more than 1 person to deal with him due to damage and some tankiness on top of his ult and TP its easy to get baited by it as if you go to rotate to him he TPs or ults .... just pure broken

this guy should be an AP mage in team fights repositioning and not splitting .... SKT had a good early lead but couldnt do anything due to how much pressure this one single champ can do ..... the champion choice won the game and thats not right

Sucction11/5/2019, 9:46:13 AM6 votes

My issue with him is mainly that even at level 2, he has probably the best waveclear in the game.

The weakness though is that he has a limited mana pool for it. That's okay.

What isn't okay is that he stays for like 3 waves, instabacks with tp and has a tear, and now you have a 0 interaction lane phase if you outrange him, or a 0 cs lane phase, if you don't, where you literally cannot do a thing, against a champion who:

Is tankier than you Has more range than you May have more utility than you Has more burst Has more dps Outscales you in both a duel and teamfights Has more sustain

Etc

Like what the fuck even is this champion's weakness supposed to be?

PaffWasTaken11/5/2019, 4:59:13 PM5 votes

Basically impossible to lane against him as a melee: a single E can clear a wave and push you in, while keeping you from getting any Cs while getting chipped down by the damage whenever he lands a Q (and since he only needs to hit a single marked minion to hurt you, he can do it blindfolded). You are then forced to build MR (and since MR items beside item 3065 are utter sh_t if you exclude the MR stat...) but you get outscaled either way.

IronyAndSublime11/5/2019, 12:17:05 PM5 votes

As a Ryze player I can tell you guys this. His e mark gives bonus damage to his q, and his passive gives him increased damage based on his mana (Do NOT stand next to your own minions, we want that.) It's weird, it's stupid, and I want the shitty early game ryze and powerful late game ryze back instead of this damage creep bs. I can tell you all, NO RYZE PLAYER WANTED THIS STUPID REWORK AT ALL. THEY TOOK AWAY OUR SHIELD AND LEFT NO ROOM FOR SKILLFUL DECISION MAKING MECHANICS.

They "succeeded" in making him strong in soloqueue, but at the sacrifice of the playstyle. Yes, you COULD and CAN do his original combos,which were difficult, but there's no point in doing so. I do, because it's a force of habit.

WoonStruck11/5/2019, 8:37:17 AM5 votes

Yeah, I honestly feel like OG ryze was more balanced. Make him require cdr again and not get 40% with just archangel's.

Take away his Q reset, make Q cd 10 seconds at max rank, or raise E CD. This way he has windows you can punish him if he misses Qs rather than him stat checking everything to death with mana items.

Jinzo Torrance11/5/2019, 1:25:17 PM3 votes

lol even a one spell champion like Malzahar can bully a Vladimir early, Ryze has to at least land multiple thin Qs thorough the game to dish out his damage;

Most other lategame trash like Kayle, Vlad and all ADCs just hover the mouse on you and win with point and clicks (and all of these can bully just as well).

Charmy Bird11/5/2019, 12:08:25 PM3 votes

The latest ryze rework made him so much easier to play and stronger idk why riot can't balance this guy for shit.

iDarkWind11/5/2019, 1:23:04 PM3 votes

It's not even only about the fact that he actually outrades easly early game with mana items, but also his waveclear is ridiculous and almost as if it has no cooldown literally. On top of that, his point click root still exists with his E + W and it is so strong for setup but also to simply run away with phase rush proc.

AlterMordred11/5/2019, 3:16:17 PM3 votes

I always hated Ryze, but atleast before the mini-'rework' I could accept the Ryze player played it well.

Now its just braindead EQ spam vs melee champions and since the Ryze always has phase rush you might as well have already lost the lane cause good luck fucking catching him if you dont have 17 dashes

xXxidiotnameXxX11/5/2019, 8:38:47 PM3 votes

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https://youtu.be/FGWGbA47YhQ?t=188

He's a LATE GAME champion late game

Why is he dealing more/as much damage as early game champions like leblanc with tear and cataclysm? this is unreal it's not enough that he's a "mage" with 200 armor and now you want to make him a lane bully too?

the best part is that he's not even getting nerfed in next patch [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Ryze isnt the problem The problem is that Damage in this game is waaaay 2 high.. All for riots beloved snore fest event that is Worlds

Ragnaveil11/6/2019, 2:15:24 PM3 votes

What I dont get is, if this kit is still problematic, why continue with it? Same can be said of Aatrox, who got put in the gutter 3 times in a row this year. They should expand on the rune theme if hes the "Rune Mage". Its confusing why he's just only using one rune. I get lore explains that, but its a concept being chained up for no reason.

TwitchInMyPants11/5/2019, 9:10:30 PM2 votes

Honestly I think they need to either just give up on the mana scaling or make his W delayed

I'm ok with Ryze having good spell combos and waveclear and having the mana thing as a reliable backup. But W pretty much will auto win a 1v1 as long as you have decent positioning. QEQ feels pretty easy when I can just root my target for the burst combo.

Realmwarp lost the Zhonya option and takes skill to pull off. His waveclear is deniable by better laners given he needs to last hit fairly close with E and then Q or double E first. He has enough predictable elements to play around. However as long as he has an instant outplay tool and the ability to build tanky while getting lots of damage, he's going to be hard to balance.

Tayzzer11/6/2019, 5:51:39 PM2 votes

Sooo... you want a 49% wr midlaner to get nerfed?

Flemman11/5/2019, 7:57:54 PM2 votes

mana scaling is a bad concept and, imo, if they want to keep it he should have another stat purchase nerfed to compensate

Chocolate Cake11/6/2019, 4:21:31 PM2 votes

not to mention a 2 mana item+viod staff level 11 Ryze can E Q for nearly 800 on a 3k health tank with 250 Mr plus that combo is spammable