Given the fact she can pin down an entire team is desired, it's oretty silly she can lock down a squishy target and 100-0 it while being untargetable. I don't have an issue with her disruption, her limited mobility, her poke or her ability to be untargetable. Just an issue with the fact she's killing shit really fast while having all that. It's like Orianna 2.0, "utility damage."
Onegarion1 votesWhats so different about her compared to even 5 patches ago? She hasn't change much at all since release and NOW you want to complain...lol
HateDaddy1 votesWhats so different about her compared to even 5 patches ago? She hasn't change much at all since release and NOW you want to complain...lol
I've been complaining about her for a long time, she just wasn't picked much so most people shrugged you off when you'd bring it up. "Lol hur dur she's not picked by pros she must suck."
If you've got an argument against what I'm saying, make it.
Divewing1 votesHere's the argument, Lissandra is strong indirectly, she is strong because she punishes mobility, and mobility is king at the moment. If you use your mobility carelessly around Lissandra, you are going to get punished, and you probably deserve it. She's kind of like Talon in this regard. As Zed, if you spam all your abilities without hitting Talon in lane, you better be damn well prepared to flash because he will jump on you for free damage. As rude as what I'm about to say sounds, you have to think to beat Lissandra (and Talon), at some point, both of them HAVE to engage, usually on the squishies. That's limiting right there. They both have plenty of counterplay, but it's more to do with strategic counterplay than skill based counterplay
Maximum Ao Shin1 votesexcept orianna can one shot a tank with a single qe
SouL1ess1 votesno wtf, with that comparison every time Veigar uses R on a champion he gets 5 AP automatically
Leti the Yeti1 votesI straight up dueled lissandra as Ryze and i can out burst her... this was during the laning phase too no, neither of us was fed no idea wat she was building tho
HateDaddy1 votesI straight up dueled lissandra as Ryze and i can out burst her... this was during the laning phase too no, neither of us was fed no idea wat she was building tho
How does that even happen lol
She can just spam Q on Ryze and never be in range of his abilities
Leti the Yeti1 votesshe did, threw Qs for days but she clawed toward me for a fite, thats wot happened
Cindikle1 votesShe really doesn't being that much damage. Her scalings are low as well as the base damages. Her E is often not even used for damage. Forcing her to give up even more.
She's also situational low range for a mage. Most of what she does requires her to be in the middle of the enemy.
Orianna also has very low scalings and currently will go OOM if she thinks she can keep up with other mages. Her ulti and W for example have almost the same exact base damage/scaling.
Kouga1 votesLiss's ratios are actually pretty average, even subpar for a burst mage (highest is her ult at .7) but she has pretty good base damages. She excels at her role; disruption, AoE damage/cc. Its possible to burst down one target but that isn't what she is meant for. The ult is really meant more to disable than just the damage. If she was meant to kill her target on her ult alone you wouldn't need to disable them, it could just do damage. Instead, its meant to hold them there so that you can do damage to them.
Really her numbers aren't bad
Marenjii1 votesI don't see non fed Lissandra's 100-0ing people.