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and then you remember jungle has smite which makes them not only relevant, but vital members of the team, when late-game roles around.
shockingly, the role who's 2 jobs to fill (early pressure and/or lategame objectives) do the 2 roles they're supposed to do
i could counter this with an equal strawman:
"Wow, then you remember that ADCs have permanent DPS which makes them not only relevant, but vital members of the team, when late-game rolls around"
"Wow, then you remember that supports can protect people or engage which makes them not only relevant, but vital members of the team, when lategame rolls around"
"Wow, then you remember that top is a frontline which makes them not only-"
you get the picture
If you have a boosted ape of a jungler, then you dont try to go for big objectives. you go for picks, and you go to try and get fights when the enemy try to do stuff like baron.
if you have a god teir jungle and a boosted as shite team, that game is going to be far more difficult, but deservingly so because it's a one vs five type of scenario
I reiterate - Jungle is a fairly vital role. I'm not saying that it's not
i'm saying however that although jungle is important, so are every other role in the game.
Let me show you a summarized example.
https://gyazo.com/ea5314df12e30dbc7eee34a8952f1903
In this game, every member of my team was cohesive and good. i did the most damage obviously, being rhaast-form kayn into a team of all tanks, but if we removed the max%health damage factor i'd say i was straightup on-par with the rest of my team.
the enemy misplayed, the jungle was equal to me but i got the lead and her champion is one that can fall off hard
https://gyazo.com/06ea07b9f95b5d8f5ec91aaef5ff3980
In this game, i carried my ass off but the other 4 mates weren't any good. the only person who needed to die (lucian) so that i could 1v4 and win wasn't being eliminated by jax, fizz, or jhin. i could kill him 2 on 1, but then the other 4 members of their team would kill me. i could kill 4 of them, but then lucian would the rest of us. it was a predicament. as you can see, a roughly equally fed enemy ADC is still pretty fucking valuble. again, not significantly more valuble than jungle, but rather only a smidge. pretty much equal if we're calling it there.
https://gyazo.com/e079e37ffbfe7811274facbe9cd52567
Finally, a game where i play like a fucking chimpanzee.
Of course, they had the innate advantage at picking Graves that game, but i definitely misplayed a lot.
GUESS WHAT?
Although the enemy champ had about 150%~ the skill i displayed during that game, they got fucking w r ec k e d
guess why?
fucking x e r a t h s u p p o r t, a z i r, m i s s f o r t u n e
all of them played adequately.
we won through having a team that was slightly better than the enemy (aside from the jungle matchup)
and guess what
graves, a busted-as-fuck jungle hypercarry
couldnt carry the game at all.
Essentially, jungle is a very valuble role, sure, but you're WAY overselling it and bullshitting about how 1V9 CARRY OMFG LOOK 10000 AP ONESHOT!!1!
who gains a damage buff from his passive. Adc's were much needed to kill tanks who were considered strong but with conquer and crit being subpar in general hard carry bruisers are more effective.
