I was flashing the malaphite ulti then getting ulti'd by annie followed by zed. I got s rank with more assists than deaths and 23 kills. Still lost the game...how to carry please?
Joshua Bangsx2 votesit's a team game. you act like you're the only person on your team.
Woook3r1 votes[{quoted}](name=Turbo SS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g7EP3ZPB,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-01-22T17:26:51.245+0000)
it's a team game. you act like you're the only person on your team.
people act like its always within my power to win.
Troy2426211 votes[{quoted}](name=Turbo SS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g7EP3ZPB,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-01-22T17:26:51.245+0000)
it's a team game. you act like you're the only person on your team.
He asked if he could carry, because that's what the Ranked system asks you to do.
And the answer is almost certainly no if your team isn't helping you do so effectively. A lot of games are unwinnable, and a lot of games are only going to be lost if you throw. The sooner you accept that some games just can't be won no matter how good you may be the sooner you'll have less of a frustrating experience.
You can't expect people to do their jobs, and this is why I don't think ADCs are good carries in lower ELO. If the game heads into mid/late, you rely more on your team who is liable to make absolutely abysmal decisions which can cost the game.
Joshua Bangsx1 votesHaving come from Bronze 1 and reaching Plat 5, I know that this game does not ask you to carry. You win games you're supposed to lose and you lose games you're supposed to win and everything in between. There is no rule that the adc must carry for a team to win.
Against that team, you're most likely going to get burst. But you've got to be in range for that to happen and they have to be grouped to wombo. Why would you group in that situation? You got a death wish?
Troy2426211 votes[{quoted}](name=Turbo SS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g7EP3ZPB,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2016-01-22T21:01:36.003+0000)
Having come from Bronze 1 and reaching Plat 5, I know that this game does not ask you to carry. You win games you're supposed to lose and you lose games you're supposed to win and everything in between. There is no rule that the adc must carry for a team to win.
Against that team, you're most likely going to get burst. But you've got to be in range for that to happen and they have to be grouped to wombo. Why would you group in that situation? You got a death wish?
I'm not saying the ADC has to carry. I'm saying each individual person, in solo queue, cannot rely on their teammates in lower ELO. You DO have to carry. It's just not always possible.
From the sounds of that game, if you have all your eggs in the ADC carry basket and their team comp can hard engage said ADC, you probably won't win if the enemy team plays it out properly.
Kaokentake1 votesI'm not saying the ADC has to carry. I'm saying each individual person, in solo queue, cannot rely on their teammates in lower ELO. You DO have to carry. It's just not always possible.
From the sounds of that game, if you have all your eggs in the ADC carry basket and their team comp can hard engage said ADC, you probably won't win if the enemy team plays it out properly.
wrong bruh. skill can carry even those games
as a plat 1 ADC main. i carry even in those bronze silver games VS malphite annie zed vi teams
its easy
i just build botrk, frozen mallet, maw, deadmans plate, banshees, attackspeed boots, red elixir on my ADC of choice
enemy hard engages me. i kite back. easy pickings
graves is a ADC im liking alot (altho banned due ot highest winrate) but on graves get deaths dance instead of botrk
Troy2426211 voteswrong bruh. skill can carry even those games
as a plat 1 ADC main. i carry even in those bronze silver games VS malphite annie zed vi teams
its easy
i just build botrk, frozen mallet, maw, deadmans plate, banshees, attackspeed boots, red elixir on my ADC of choice
enemy hard engages me. i kite back. easy pickings
graves is a ADC im liking alot (altho banned due ot highest winrate) but on graves get deaths dance instead of botrk
To quote yourself, it's a team game. Your chances of solo carrying go down as the skill level of your opponents go up. So while yes it's possible, it's not a straightforward as "play properly and you'll carry." There are many, many more variables to it than that.
Woook3r1 voteswrong bruh. skill can carry even those games
as a plat 1 ADC main. i carry even in those bronze silver games VS malphite annie zed vi teams
its easy
i just build botrk, frozen mallet, maw, deadmans plate, banshees, attackspeed boots, red elixir on my ADC of choice
enemy hard engages me. i kite back. easy pickings
graves is a ADC im liking alot (altho banned due ot highest winrate) but on graves get deaths dance instead of botrk
The argument isn't that skill cant carry. The argument is that adc takes a disproportionately large amount of skill and WORK to carry the game. Sometimes, I just start to make mistakes at 50 min because I'm mentally tired.
Its much easier to play victor or leblanc and I think its because the actions they do in teamfights are easier for my teammates to read and react to correctly. When leblanc blows up the adc you know its time to go in no matter what division you are and its the right idea 90% of the time. With victor, I always build ryalis first and that makes all of my abilities 5 star peel and I am the team player (I happen to get a lot of kills as well).
LARLARLABAR2 votesif you get blown up in team fight for bad comp split push and outplay when they come to get you. Vayne is a good duelist
Woook3r1 votesif you get blown up in team fight for bad comp split push and outplay when they come to get you. Vayne is a good duelist
I'm not good enough to do this. I never really even try. I could get better with practice, but id have to find the right games. Usually, zed or someone else gets so fed this doesn't even sound remotly possible
1 800 MID LANE1 votesNot trying isn't practicing, and doing it occasionally against fed opponents can also have a benefit for your own learning. I wouldn't do it too often, though. Doing something like that and always losing because of it kinda hurts the morale. I'd say only do it when you get the hang of outplaying assassins and such.
God of Bagels1 votesBuy a quicksilver sash to remove Zed's ult when he probably targets you first. Buy Banshee's veil to block either Malphite's or Annie's initiation spell on you?
Woook3r1 votes[{quoted}](name=God of Bagels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g7EP3ZPB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-01-22T17:20:22.374+0000)
Buy a quicksilver sash to remove Zed's ult when he probably targets you first. Buy Banshee's veil to block either Malphite's or Annie's initiation spell on you?
zed wasn't really a problem. It was the annie mal xin engaging on me with zed to follow up. Banshees would have made the most sense. Didn't thing ab it.
Yosuke Apperu1 votesWho were you playing?
WalkingInACircle1 votesNah, you need ezreal for that crap.
Woook3r1 votesI mean when you look at the end of game report, none of the enemy team really stood out as the carry like I did. They just focused me because that's all they had to do and no matter how many of them missed eventually one of them would get a free shot on me.
The problem was that in the beginning of the game we got an inhib turret but not the inhib and someone on our team (illaoi) would never stick with us after winning a fight. So we didn't take that inhib until long after we exposed it. Illaoi would always go try to taker her tier one tower and get killed there. Top tier one was still standing at the end of the game.
This is why I feel like match making is unfair and I feel like I don't belong in bronze. You can tell by my score that I didn't do much wrong. Yea I made mistakes, so does wild turtle, but I picked the right adc, got fed in lane, took a lot of towers, snowballed mid game. Spent the entirety of every teamfight dodging instacast engages like xin tibs mal and zed while getting a lot of kills and resets. I played a REALLY good game, but I don't feel rewarded for it other than internal satisfaction.
Death by Glamour1 votesDepends on how good your team was, specifically how good a support you had. If you are with idiots it was always a loss.
You were against a good comp tho, plenty of lockdown and intiation. Hard one to be sure
Woook3r1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ace 1n your hole,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g7EP3ZPB,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-01-22T17:47:03.948+0000)
Depends on how good your team was, specifically how good a support you had. If you are with idiots it was always a loss.
You were against a good comp tho, plenty of lockdown and intiation. Hard one to be sure
I should get something tho. 24/7/9. That's all you can ask.
God of Bagels1 votesI disagree on the "if your with idiots you it was always a loss". If you feel like you are really a better and smarter player than your team, then you need to coach them. If you come at them with any kind of negativity or finger pointing, chances are they will tilt and actively go against you. Be calm and compliment, and tell them your strategy to win. Give them simple instructions they can follow.
Dominick Destine1 votesShin Jaou sucks.
The other three are very strong against ADC.
NsEternal1 votesyou cant carry a game as an adc in this meta ( or if you can its much harder than it was in recent patches) the meta is heavily focused on heavy hp/damage champs and an adc's itemization nowadays doesnt scale fast enough to be a big enough presence mid game. if youre good enough you will climb you just have to keep playing
Woook3r1 votesyou cant carry a game as an adc in this meta ( or if you can its much harder than it was in recent patches) the meta is heavily focused on heavy hp/damage champs and an adc's itemization nowadays doesnt scale fast enough to be a big enough presence mid game. if youre good enough you will climb you just have to keep playing
No. Mis fortune can carry. If jinx gets fed she can carry. Its all about the range the adc has. MF ult range super long. Jinx range long af. When I am able to carry with Lucian its because my ult is doing decent dmg to the front line and it has super long range.
Kaioko1 votesI'm going to be blunt here - normally yes because a team is filled with peelers and tanks as well as those who will hard CC to let you go nuts and wipe out the other team. The ADC even your vayne can wreck havoc on others by relying on their team to give them those opportunities.
Here's the blunt part - you're bronze. A bronze team is not going give you those opportunities. I'm sorry but it's true, so in that level playing field, no you will not carry and ADC is definitely not the role to get you out of that playing level.
Troiann1 votesNo. Even Gosu can't win all of his games in lower elo. Shit happens.
Woook3r1 votesNo. Even Gosu can't win all of his games in lower elo. Shit happens.
Then how do I carry out of bronze? The only reason this game stands out is that I duo'd with the most reasonable person I could find in normal, he listened to my pings so we actually did things (minimal things like taking dragon bc illaoi was a brick and either backed or split) after the fights we won and I had a decent support (far from perfect. Wouldn't whimsy annie in a 3v2 situation at enemy nexus. Cost us the game).
I played my average game, but had an average element of teamwork with two people and so it looks like a stomp from me and a throw by my teammates. Lux and illaoi threw the game multiple times due to decisions they made, which I cant even make up for. Elise and lulu threw the game because they didn't perform in teamfights, which I more than made up for.
In most of my games, I don't get the elise or the lulu. All I get are mistakes made by the enemy team, which are never mistakes that the adc can capitalize on because they cant go anywhere solo. Leblanc can capitalize. Zed can. Fizz can.
Troiann4 votesYou get out of bronze because that doesn't happen every game.
To get out of bronze last season I opted to just brute force it by getting 15+ kills by the 20 minute mark and making them all either afk or just become completely demoralized. This works best with assassins. I never really played adc to climb, but it should work the same way. Generally a benchmark for low elo is 10 kills by 15 minutes. Roam into all lanes and just slaughter them. Go into the enemy jungle and just kill the jungler, take all his camps. Rush down towers if you want to get your team some gold. Maintain 8-10 CS a minute.
You can win with teamwork of course but that's just how I did it.
Kaokentake1 votesMightySaturn . take this advice i am plat 1. and honestly in games like that if i wanted to carry out of bronze i would build ADC like this
botrk, frozen mallet, maw, deadmans plate, banshees, attackspeed boots, top it off with the AD elixir fervor of battle keystone
seriously. what good is the ADC when your dead?
if the enemy team has even just a single rengar. i will get this build on every ADC. its honestly not even that bad.
ive been liking graves recently with this. but on graves due to low attackspeed you want deaths dance instead of botrk
The Bearded Bard1 votesWell you can play Sivir and just split push all day. You can play Ezreal and poke from a distance, escaping anyone that engages on you. You could play any number of mages that can take the place of an adc and grab a zhonyas.
So yeah, you've definitely still got options.